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Drob set the foundation imo
Somebody called into the Ticket 760 show "Sports Grind" and said Kawhi at the age of 24 is on pace to be better than Michael Jeffrey Jordan..mentioned the ring, DPOY etc and said this is only the tip of the ice burg. Well it started a heated debate on the radio..
But to me me it isn't about Jordan. What about being an All-Time great Spur? Because IMO he will never pass Timmy...never. He built this city and Kawhi is just living in it. But what would it take for top Spur consideration? To say pass Robinson, Gervin, Manu or Tony??
And what about All-Time NBA ranking? Where's his ceiling and what will it take for him to be placed among the best to ever step on the court??
Discuss..
Drob set the foundation imo
IMVHBIO: Duncan will forever be the GOAT Spur. DRob is cemented at number 2 and Parker/Gino are tied for third. After that Kawhi can knock of any other Spur that ever played and likely will if SA wins another le with him.
Damn, that got out of hand quickly. Why not just enjoy what the guy is doing right now and wait to see where he ends up a few years down the road. He's a hard-working guy who has invested tireless efforts into improving his game and now is likely to see the fruits of those labors result in an All-Star berth; if he sustains what he's done in the last 2 months over the course of the next 4 months, he'll make an All-NBA team and should get some MVP consideration to go along with whatever defensive accolades he gets.
Then, once he's done all of that, let's see him repeat it a couple of times.
I think he will, and I think he'll eventually build a case as one of the 5-10 most important Spurs ever. But we're a very long way from being able to make that case at this point.
I find it interest because if Kawhi keeps growing as a player this could be HIS league here in the next couple of years. He's 4 years away from his prime and LeBron won't be a factor and I can only see Kawhi battling out with Steph or Davis as being best in the game. He could rack up a pretty nice resume....but this all depends if he can continue without Timmy
A. Davis, wiggins, KAT are going to be really good in 4 years.
Kawhi getting 3 chips will knock Drob to #3 imo.
It'd have to be a 3 peat in which he was clear #1A all 3 years to have a chance to sniff Tim
I'm just going to enjoy these years of his growth while he helps extend the legacy of the Big 3. It's entirely possible as LMA continues to perform well, that the Spurs will be cemented into the likes of Boston and Los Angeles as a legendary franchise. We're not quite there yet, but we're damn well knocking on the door.
I actually think we are already there. I think it's just harder to see, because we're not finished yet.
Way too early to even discuss it. Guy is only 24 and in his 5th season in the league. Give him some time.
This. No franchise in the modern era has ever done what the Spurs have done over the past 16 years or so, and are still in the process of doing.
Works for me.
Duncan is so far in front NO one will ever be able to match him, imo.
It has taken the better part of 4-5 seasons for Kawhi to get to this dominant position in the team. Duncan STARTED at dominance and stayed there through 2014, imo. Yes, Tony had a Finals MVP during Duncan's time and Kawhi had a Finals MVP in Duncan's time, but as both Tony and Kawhi would no doubt attest, their ability to get the MVP is/was partly a function of the attention drawn by Duncan and (lately) others on the floor.
I have a hard time getting my head around the notion that this is even being discussed. Free speech forever!! LOL.
And not just in the NBA. Any franchise in any sport. THAT is the Duncan legacy.
Duncan is first by a large margin. David is second by a large margin. Gervin is third but Manu and Tony are not too far behind.
I think Kawhi could catch Manu/Tony if he makes a couple of all-star teams, another DPOY, and another le as the top dog. That's a tall order, but doable.
Kawhi needs to do all that, but with 6-8 years as the main guy and an all-star, multiple DPOYs, and/or a le or two to catch Gervin.
David, we're talking about DPOY, scoring champ, rebounding champ, blocks leader, main guy for a decade, 10x all-star, MVP, 2x gold medalist, 2x Champion, cultural foundation of Spurs. To catch David, Kawhi would need at least 1 MVP (probably 2 to clearly be better), 10+ all-star appearances, multiple DPOYs, and be the main guy on at least one more le team. Plus he'd need to be more of a team leader to match the cultural impact David had. Remember, in his prime David was like a big man version of Kawhi on D and more dominant offensively.
Tim? Catching Tim would require a Jordan-like career. Kawhi would need 3 MVPs, 6+ championships, 15 all-star appearances, and remain a true cultural leader for the next 20 years. No one has done that other than Tim in the last 2 decades...
Last edited by ajh18; 12-22-2015 at 06:24 PM.
Kawhi will not catch up with Duncan because he's a very good player, possibly great player, but already not a generational player. Kawhi at age 23 already has a very nice resume (Finals MVP, DPOY, All-Rookie, 2x All-Defense + a ring) but that's nothing compared to Duncan at age 23 (Finals MVP, ROY, All-Star MVP, 2x All-Star (would have been 3x without 99 season), 3x All-NBA, 3x All-Defense, 3x finishing in top 5 of MVP rankings + a ring).
Also I don't think Gervin ranks above Tony/Manu. Gervin has more All-Star/All-NBA and scoring les, but that's about it. I don't think he ranks above Tony/Manu in terms of "Spurs" achievements (and not personal achievements). Tony and Manu have been key cogs in one of the most memorable dynasties in sport.
When did this turn into a kawhi vs tim debate?
Gervin is not ahead of TP/Manu IMVHBIO. What they have done for this franchise (winning, les), this city (fans love them) and for their countries (doesn't really count, but still) have them safely at number 3.
A lot of the accomplishments by BOS and LAL that make them "legendary" were back when there were like 8 teams in the league and no salary cap.
He's the best individual player the Spurs have had since 2007 Duncan/2005 Ginobili, though..
If he plays his entire career with the Spurs, I think Kawhi will surely end top 3 when it's all said and done; with a good chance of dethroning Robinson for the number 2 spot. And with an improbable chance of getting ahead of Tim if he somehow manages to win 4/5/6 more rings as the alpha dog.
If he gives us atleast 2more rings as the alpha, he's top 2. More than that you can make a case for TD. Again as the alpha, and 2more will be very very hard if they dont get one this year. I think thisnis the very ideal situation though but im sure he'll finish top 5 all time. Td drob manu tp and him at the worst.
Honestly he already ranks pretty high among the Spurs, already has a FMVP, a DPOY and most importantly a big factor in helping extend Timmy and Manu's careers.
Knocking Robinson from 2 will take a regular season MVP. Can't fault Robinson for having his prime cut short by a bad back, which led to the Spurs being able to get Duncan anyway.
Assuming he doesn't fall apart tomorrow, he'll undoubtedly go down as at least the third best ahead of Manu, Parker and Iceman.
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