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I didn't.
Don't forget about the New England Patriots
I didn't.
That's a bit of a jump there. Remember, Robinson was possibly a better two way player than Kawhi.
In 10 years or more, when Kawhi retires, it'll be hard for the kids in San Antonio remember who were Manu and Parker, like it's hard for some of us remember how great was Gervin...we think Manu and Parker are better than him, and it's likely that the new generation of Spurs fans will believe that no one was better than Kawhi. It's just a matter of time...
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I think Timmy is immovable by Kawhi.
However there's a case to move Drob, Parker and Manu. Parker wasn't a turning point for the franchise and neither was Manu. With Timmy and cast we were already a strong unit. They were molded and developed into what they were - yes like is being done to Kawhi.
However I think it's worth pointing out that before that Kawhi for GH trade, we seriously looked done in terms of ring contention. With a declining core and no real support, we were just going downhill.
Kawhi's acquisition literally turned this franchise around and he's become our most dominant offensive and defensive force a la Timmy and Drob. Parker and Manu really can't claim that. They're massive parts of our success, but not the way Kawhi, Timmy and Drob are.
Still pedigree matters, so the way I see it is this:
1. Timmy
2. Drob
3. Manu
4. Parker
To surpass Parker, Kawhi has to lead us to another ring and to perform consistently as a go-to guy for 4-5 years.
To surpass Manu, he's gotta do that and also have some really huge playoff performances that bring us victories that we'd otherwise lose.
To surpass Drob? He's gotta dominate the league and win an MVP. He has to be the franchise face for ar least another 8-9 years and he has to be an integral part of at least TWO more les.
If he does that, I think you can move Drob. 3 rings, MVP and 10 years of dominance as our #1 player on both ends? Yeah it's tough but I think that puts him above Drob.
For Timmy? Six rings (or whatever is more than Timmy's total when he retires), MVP and he needs to captain the team to at least 15 years of continued success, taking paycuts and just being the great teammate that Tim has been. If Kawhi could get more rings than Timmy, you'd even be able to make the case for Kawhi vs. Jordan.
I don't think he can do it, but just saying if Kawhi did get 6 and played around the level he's at now for another 7-8 years...definite argument of Kawhi vs. Jordan.
A man with some perspective. Thanks. However, I must add my two cents about Iceman, who I was privileged to see play. Unlike Tony and Manu, Ice never played with a big remotely as talented as Tim (or DRob, for that matter). He played with Artis Gilmore for 3 seasons late in his career.
id take prime Robinson over Kawhi today 11 times out of 10. And that aint no disrespect to Kawhi
He is a great player but whoever called the grind (best radio show in San antonio) and compared him to MJ is a ing stupid got.
Leonard has zero "rings as the alpha" and I don't think anyone would argue otherwise if the NBA had a playoff MVP instead of a Finals one. Duncan was the closest the '14 Spurs had to an alpha.
Leonard was obviously a clear cut better player and played a much bigger role, but by that logic, Iguodala was the alpha on the '15 Warriors.
Leonard was obviously the biggest reason they vaulted back into contention, but he wasn't the only one. Duncan somehow managing to not only halt, but reverse his decline; Parker somehow managing to have his two best seasons at a point where he should have already peaked. Also, acquiring/expanding the roles of Splitter, Green, Diaw and Mills.
That's true, and clearly Tony and Manu benefit hugely from playing alongside Tim. Actually that's even true of DRob. It's also true that Gervin was a better basketball player than both.
However when I look at an All-Spur list I can't focus only on personal achievements but rather on rings, sustained playoff performance, actually being in the playoffs year after year, putting SA on the basketball map, etc. Right now SA is the 3rd or 4th franchise in the All-time list (behind Lakers, Boston and possibly Chicago). And in my view that's obviously thanks to Tim first, then DRob, then Tony/Manu, then Gervin.
There is a world outside of the US dude...
In terms of talent he is already better than any spur not named Duncan Robinson or Parker tbqh.
But in terms of overall career, he still is probably not even top 5. Probably right behind Bowen and just ahead of Elliott
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I think you misunderstood. He was talking about sports that count and/or are not rigged.
sports that count / not rigged... I am curious to read your list my friend
1/ he is not more talented than Gervin
2/ I loved Bowen but Kawhi is already ahead
NBA
NFL
It's a short list
Short list indeed but NFL... I thought we were talking about Sports that count
Right now no one comes close to Duncan. No one.
George Gervin third.
lol what a re ed take.
Not sure why you're not letting him know about how legendary the all blacks are. Or do they not count?
Just trying to get a rise outta ya, mate.
This didn't turn into manu vs Tony. Good job guys.
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