I dont get the JJ hate.
And like I said, JJ won't be directing the next two movies so if he's your main concern, rejoice.
weak story line? Yes.
Bad acting? no.
Plot Holes? Yes.
Weak bad guy? no.
If anything this movie could have used a little more standing around explaining what was going on, but they were too afraid to make it like the prequels so they made it very narrow in scope.
Episode 8 better not have another god damn death star to blow up. It's gotten old.
The reason he is hated because he in not a very good director to begin with, and shouldn't be directing these sci fi classics. The guy is Joel Schumacker bad! It's like when somebody else directs terminator. It's not james cameron.
And like I said, JJ won't be directing the next two movies so if he's your main concern, rejoice.
The acting was episode 1 bad. BB 8 did the best acting job and stole the show and he's a cgi robot.
The bad guy was weak dawg.... Some emo with daddy issues that's trying to copy vader? lame! Also, finn and the british chick have like zero chemistry onscreen and their scenes were portman/hayden cringe worthy bad. The best part of the movie for me was when rey went to go find luke and gives him his lightsaber.
I thought Daisy Ridley was great
Boyega is a good actor but his character was JarJarbing bad (no racist)
It's a Star Wars movie and you are complaining about plot holes? lol.
I read that he was the one that Rey used the Jedi Mind Trick on when she was captive.
who is?
And like I said, JJ won't be directing the next two movies so if he's your main concern, rejoice.
Haven't seen the movie because crowds. But I did just finish the novelization. So while I can't really comment on the visuals or directing, I can talking about the storyline and spoilers.
SPOILERS -- though at this point, people should know to just stay out of this thread.
I thought both Finn and Rey became weaker characters as the story went on. Finn never had that air of being a supercharged badass, which I really liked. But after opening act had him and Rey forming a pretty solid partnership, he really lost almost all of his power. Dude was supposed to be an awesome marksman, but they totally take away his gun for the final act. Instead of him growing into the role of legit fighter, he was pretty much relegated to be emotional support for Rey and to be the damsel in distress. And he gets friend-zoned while in a coma. How sad is that?
His arc can totally be redeemed in the following movies by him either learning he's force-sensitive or figuring out how to be a worthwhile character despite having no force powers (like Jango and Bobo). I don't see why he can't become better with a lightsaber anyway. But I could also see him being completely marginalized in the next movies to make room for the Poe/Rey lovefest. I actually don't know what would be worse for Finn: For him to let himself be cucked by Poe or for him to be part of a stupid-ass love triangle.
Rey was best when she was a resourceful girl, kinda like a female Han Solo. Her being able to defend herself was cool, and as I said, she and Finn formed a solid partnership, which is something you rarely see between men and women in movies. The fact that they essentially took the qualities of Luke, Han and Leia and shuffled and combined them into two characters was very welcome for me, as it took away a lot of the fat that hung on the trio in the original trilogy.
Things started to fall apart as soon as she got the messiah treatment. After that, she pretty much got every cool point. The producers want to act like her arc is new or even not worn out, but it is. , pretty much every movie made about a female YA book has girls who are combat savants and who end up becoming way too powerful for any logical progression to justify. If we have to watch two more movies of her becoming the space version of Katniss, it might completely kill the series for me. I have no issue with her being a Jedi, but damn it if she is going to just be able to do everything on her own because the producers are determined to secure support from feminists.
Ren wasn't bad to me. What was wrong with his character is what's wrong with the whole series. It's never made sense that you only have two choices when using the force. Games like KOTOR tried to show that there was a lot of gray area. I don't get why it would be hard to just have Jedi powers while being able to think for yourself? And since when is having emotions NOT okay for the dark side? It seems like they would be the group that would allow themselves to act viscerally while the light side is all disciplined. Then you have the true id/superego dichotomy.
I think the final battle would have been stronger had Rey used the saber teamed up with Finn (who's using a blaster) to hold off Ren. Sort of like the final battle of Windwaker. Like Ren can't finished off Rey because he has to keep deflecting Finn's shots, but he can't force-push Finn away because Rey attacks anytime he tries. Then, you could have Ren go balls out and wound Finn before Rey strikes him. Would get you to the same situation while keeping everyone's integrity.
I just enjoyed the movie tbh
If you think the acting was "bad" then I'm sure you only enjoy oscar nominated movies because your bar is set way too high. I think you need to go rewatch episode one. I didn't cringe once during this movie. Good enough.
The bad guy may have been an emo but that was the point. You may have not liked their choices with him but at least they made some choices. He was a 3 dimensional....which is a lot more than you can say for any character in the prequels. Again your standards are too high.
With 8 million wanna be's trying to get into movies and t.v., this is the cream of the crop?
And not putting it all on the actor/actress as director script writing etc dictates a lot. See previous link on Star Wars Actors speak out.
Ya for a cheesy sci fi flick who cares. But when the budget is 200 mil (or whatever it was) one can expect more.
They were there. I counted at least 3.
Not kidding.
Rehashing the death star plot was really really weak.
Overall movie was ok, but after hearing the buzz I expected way more.
Ren being emo was good entertainment
Check the emo Kylo Ren Twitter account
Space Balls >> Star Wars
tbh.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Kylo was an emo.
Though Kylo wasn't a Sith lord, one thing about the dark side is they do let their emotions control them.
I'm not sure they're following that. lol
Finn was a janitor who somehow got promoted to stormtrooper.
Episode 8, Rian Johnson from Looper and episode 9 belongs to the guy who directed Jurassic World.
Amusing how morons claim there is a "plot hole" with the way how Rey quickly learned how to make use of the force, yet conveniently forget that just within hours or less of learning that he even had the ability to use the force, Luke Skywalker was blocking laser shots with a lightsaber without even using his eyes, a couple hours later by means of the force somehow learned to pilot a ship he had never flown before so effectively that he could shoot torpedoes down a minuscule hole without using any sort of tracking system (doing it virtually blindly, again), that in his very first lightsaber fight he was able to hold his own pretty well against one of the most powerful force users to ever live, and that in his second lightsaber fight, he overtook the same guy without much trouble. Also forgetting that within maybe a day or so of learning she had the ability to use the force, somehow Leia was able to use it so well that she could sense whether Luke escaped the exploding Death Star safely or not.
Yet somehow, those aren't "plot holes", and the original trilogy apparently remains 100% plot hole free and flawless, and completely untouchable, when fact is, they had just as many, if not more "plot holes" if we analyze them as deeply as you idiots are analyzing this one. Great freaking logic
Last edited by Phillip; 12-23-2015 at 11:50 PM.
Any objective mind knows that this one is just as good, if not better than any episode of Star Wars that was ever made. An objective mind also knows that many people have seriously begun to overrate the original trilogy as well.
thisI just enjoyed the movie tbh
He was bred from birth to be a stormtrooper. Meaning before he was old enough, he had to do like sanitation. In the movie he's 18-ish and on his first ever mission as a stormtrooper. He literally says that exact thing. I'm sorry if you think movies have to spoonfeed you every last detail, but most people with a brain can deduce simple like that.
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