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Yes. He got robbed of 2 though.
Curry playing at an amazing level on the offensive end; Kawhi doing unparalleled things; Westbrook and Harden both desperate for an MVP before their windows close; Durant still prime; Anthony Davis bound to reemerge; Paul George seemingly recovered and hitting new highs; Blake Griffin in the mix; Jimmy Butler with room to improve.
Lebron is quickly becoming another face in the crowd. He still has great potential to win another MVP; but I do think statistically speaking, his best days are behind him.
Yes. He got robbed of 2 though.
imo he was the MVP last year too. He took a trash team with loser players that was in the lottery since he had left to the Finals and went something like 32-3 to end the season iirc. Curry couldn't even win the Finals MVP
MVPs are politicized and rigged from time to time.
Curry deserved it.imo he was the MVP last year too. He took a trash team with loser players that was in the lottery since he had left to the Finals and went something like 32-3 to end the season iirc. Curry couldn't even win the Finals MVP
Also, the Cavs weren't really trash. They were the best team in their conference. They had three number one overall picks and three all-stars and some pretty good role players. Lebron didn't perform any miracles.
Best team in their conference but never made the playoffs until Lebron came back. Are you ing serious?
3 All Stars? Are you including Lebron?
What is an All Star? Kevin Love never saw the playoffs before Lebron, neither had Irving.
Do you think Love goes to Cleveland if Lebron stays in Miami?
Five consecutive Finals appearances even though he switched teams, and the team he switched to each time made the Finals in their first season.
Dude beat the Atlanta Hawks without Love or Irving.
Three ing all-stars. They even called them "The Big Three". Making a ing playoffs is grounds for an MVP? They would've made it without Lebron in that weak conference.
So because Love goes and helps Lebron he deserves an MVP? What kind of is that? I could care less if Love went to Cleveland or stayed in Minnesota or went wherever as far as the MVP goes. Beating the ing Hawks matters for MVP? Well first off it doesn't cos it's the playoffs. But even if they counted those; it's the ing Hawks!
Last edited by Spurtacular; 12-22-2015 at 12:50 PM.
You cannot include Lebron and say "he has 3 all stars".
The MVP doesn't consider how far you got in the playoffs. It's a regular season award. The record for the Cavs over the past few years.. see if you can determine where Lebron left and came back.
h Central 2nd 50 32 .610 Won First Round vs. Washington Wizards, 4–2
Lost Conference Semifinals to Detroit Pistons, 4-3LeBron James (AMVP) Mike Brown [48] 2006–07 Eastern 2nd Central 2nd 50 32 .610 Won First Round vs. Washington Wizards, 4–0
Won Conference Semifinals vs. New Jersey Nets, 4–2
Won Conference Finals vs. Detroit Pistons, 4–2
Lost NBA Finals to San Antonio Spurs, 4-0— Mike Brown [49] 2007–08 Eastern 4th Central 2nd 45 37 .549 Won First Round vs. Washington Wizards, 4–2
Lost Conference Semifinals to Boston Celtics, 4-3LeBron James (AMVP) Mike Brown [50] 2008–09 Eastern 1st Central 1st 66 16 .805 Won First Round vs. Detroit Pistons, 4–0
Won Conference Semifinals vs. Atlanta Hawks, 4–0
Lost Conference Finals to Orlando Magic, 4-2LeBron James (MVP)
Mike Brown (COY)Mike Brown [51] 2009–10 Eastern 1st Central 1st 61 21 .744 Won First Round vs. Chicago Bulls, 4–1
Lost Conference Semifinals to Boston Celtics, 4-2LeBron James (MVP) Mike Brown [52] 2010–11 Eastern 15th Central 5th 19 63 .232 - — Byron Scott [53] 2011–12[nb 7] Eastern 13th Central 5th 21 45 .318 - Kyrie Irving (ROY) Byron Scott [54] 2012–13 Eastern 13th Central 5th 24 58 .293 - — Byron Scott [55] 2013–14 Eastern 10th Central 3rd 33 49 .402 - Kyrie Irving (AMVP) Mike Brown [56] 2014–15 Eastern 2nd Central 1st 53[57] 29[58] .646[59] Won First Round vs. Boston Celtics, 4–0
Won Conference Semifinals vs. Chicago Bulls, 4–2
Won Conference Finals vs. Atlanta Hawks, 4–0
Lost NBA Finals to Golden State Warriors, 4-2David Blatt
Now contrast that with the Miami Heat record during that same time
I guess it's the other people, not Lebron.
Whether Cleveland is something or whether they're balls is not grounds for an MVP selection dude. Curry outplayed Lebron while leading his team to greater heights.
LeBron absolutely was the correct last mvp last year. I made the case that he was guarantee a make up award this year, but it doesn't look good.curry is just too good that it would be a farce to ignore him.
Last year curry was not a front runner at all, he was running neck and neck with harden most of the year.
If you use both ends of the floor to decide, you'll pick Lebron. If you only consider offense, you'll pick Curry.
As good as Curry was (and I have no problem with him getting the award), the single biggest difference maker in the NBA was Lebron James. Without Lebron the Cavs don't even make the playoffs, much less the Finals. If Klay and Green or AI go down in the 1st round, do you think the Warriors make the Finals?
He can still win the Finals MVP, or the AllStar game MVP.
Yeah, probably.
By his own standards LeBron didn't even have a great year last year- lowest FG PCT since 2008-09, lowest 3PT PCT since 2010-11, lowest FT PCT since 2007-08 and the most TO per game in his entire career. Yet he still dragged the Cavaliers to the Finals practically single handedly. If a man doesn't have a particularly good year by his standards yet still does things no one else in the game is capable of doing, does he deserve the MVP award? I honestly don't know. I certainly had no problem w/Curry winning it.
SMH. I won't even get started so here you go. http://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-cont...ot-Results.pdf
Lebron didn't finish even top 5 in PER last season(number 6), didn't finish top 10 in winshares per 48 (Curry, Davis, Harden, Westbrook, Paul in top five), Not top ten in total winshares per game. Value over replacement: Stepehen Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, LeBron James...in that order.
It was Curry, Westbrook, and Harden, Davis, should have won mvp in that order. Even Chris Paul could have been considered before him easily.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...header_leaders
Once again, memory is volatile for you all.
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Kevin Durant deserved the MVP...but by the smallest Margin ever.
LeBron's numbers are down which isn't' surprising. His prime season was against okc in the finals. He doesn't block shots or work as hard because he can't. His usage has taken a dive itself.
Derrick ROSE Did not deserve his mvp at all; ing media driven bull . That was LeBron's mvp which would have given him 5 straight.
I checked as far back as 07-08 which is another MVP he deserved but SOMEHOW....somehow...Kobe Bryant of all people ended up with the MVP. How the did that happen? He wasn't top 5 in various advanced stats that determine mvp. It was LeBron and Chris Paul up for that award.
That's two.
Difference maker? What do I care if it's Milwaukee or Cleveland making it to the finals for the East? That's kind of a phony talking point. Curry was the best player on the best team last year. He earned the MVP.
I agree with most of what you say; except, I'd say that the MVP is not and should not be an outright formula. Granted, significant statistical deviations should be justified.
As for the 07/08 MVP, it was KG that deserved it for what he did on both ends of the court in taking his team to dominant levels. Just because LBJ was stat stuffing doesn't mean he should get the MVP. And the reason that Kobe won is because the media wanted to give him a lifetime achievement award.
That was the year Boston won the Finals..hmm. Maybe it was KG's year. I like to take the literal approach to the award. That being, the Most Valuable Player to the NBA as of the year. Its heavily dependent on stats for me and whether that player is easily replaceable.
If the Boston Celtics had LeBron James that season instead of KG, shieet. That's with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen on the edge of their primes. THey could have won two years.
Celts probably would've threepeated if KG had not blown out his knee the next year. KG made the C's a dominant defense though; and his offensive contributions were supplemental to his resume. He was the biggest difference maker in the regular season; upon which, the award is predicated. In the postseason, it was LBJ and Pierce that had the epic battle though.
nah. they were trash, evidenced by the preceding seasons (hence them even having #1 picks) and your point is moot really because LeBron was one of those picks, Irving didn't do jack before LeBron came back, and Anthony Bennett is ing trash so where he got picked is irrelevant. Saying stuff like "3 all stars and role players" sounds nice in a vacuum except that means nothing (see: 2013 Lakers).
Try again, tbh
Yes difference maker, ergo Most Valuable Player. If it was just a team accolade Shaq should have three or four. I'm thinking you don't understand the concept.
KG teamed up with Ray and Paul. He diluted his contribution to the cause by doing so. Lebron did the same thing in Miami, or so we thought, but he still pulled a couple MVPs from those seasons when everyone here was saying he would be the Robin to Wade's Batman, and that Lebron's MVP run was over.
If it who's most responsible for the biggest change in fortune (positive) for a franchise then it would be Lebron every year. KD got his because RW went down and he was able to absorb Russell's spotlight. Nash did the same thing in Phoenix a couple years when he'd go out for an injury and the team would start losing. He'd return and they'd pick right back up where they left off. He appeared to be the difference maker.
If Curry goes down and the team doesn't falter, which is what Curry would want, then that would be detrimental to Curry's MVP run. Would the Warriors be more ed without Curry than the Cavs would be without Lebron?
They were just on the edge of making the playoffs before. What do you think is going to happen when you add the two biggest free agents of the summer to that? You try again. The Cavs going to the finals surprised absolutely nobody that was paying attention. Lebron made it to five straight finals cos the east was just that damn weak in the first place.
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