The Suns have suspended Morris for two games without pay.
P.s., there is no video of this incident.
Yet you've been a fan of the team for many years in which they did not win a championship, did not even make the playoffs, and when they've failed to win a game even after making the playoffs. How is this new squad any different? Aren't you just drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and calling everything on yonder side "hopeless" and everything on your side "acceptable"?
It's still basketball.
McDonough that first year made some incredible moves, and I believe he's drafted very well.
But his signings/resigning shave not gone well.
Thomas was a very bad decision.
Chandler is looking like it.
Tucker was a godawful resign for the money and position.
Neither Knight/Bledsoe have panned out as planned.
Fringe pieces like Weems/ZDragic, etc have just eaten CAP.
But he drafts high upside players. Problem is he's never been able or willing to fully commit to them. Len is as a good a pick as there was from that draft, Warren has a place in this league, likely as a starter, and Booker has All-Star potential when he adds experience and a few years.
Leuer was a daft pickup for a 2nd-rounder, and Goodwin is still one of the youngest players in the League with elite athleticism and Wade-like frame.
But as long as they are in that 7-10 limbo, they aren't going to commit to a rebuild.
Because I believe it's a reality (our ruination) & my response to it. I ain't sloughed off the blame. I'm right there and will always take the blame. It has to be acceptable. It's reality. To deny such is senseless.
Morris is contrite says McDonough at news conference just completed.
The density of McDonough will be his undoing.
He never should have planned to build around either, let alone both Morrii, then never should have kept one and not the other Morrii, and should now cut his losses with the one and simply will not because his "upside" and "value" is a hard duo to replicate.
Meanwhile, toxicity festers.
The Suns thought they could pull a Rocket/Morey by staying semi-compe ive in that 9-12 seeding purgatory and hope they would notch a star or two down the road..That ship has has sailed..and i don't how understand how these inept organizations don't sell high when they have cancers amidst them..Thinking Hornacek has Phil Jackson pedigree/ability to deal with such headcases..Good luck trying to offload Morris now without surrendering other assets..Zach lowe said teams are now asking for more in potential packages...
Ya, that's what I was alluding to earlier..based on the roster construction, it doesn't appear that they understand or have a plan for the current direction of the team..it is strange..
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But you've chosen the most convenient time to espouse such beliefs. Where were they in 2008 or 20011? The team was just as shy of a ring as they are now, according to your logic. If you don't see potential in a team, how can you watch any team that isn't going to win a ring this year?
There has to be a gradient, it cannot be bifurcated to such extremes as "success = ring, all else = failure", else less than 5% of the league is successful, ever. That doesn't seem to make any sense. It's a bad business model and even worse fan outlook.
I honestly believe they had a plan entering that first full season of McD and Hornacek. They drafted two raw, but ideally athletic/framed prospects, acquired a bunch of unknown in Bledsoe, Plumlee, traded all veterans, acquired a bunch of 1sts. Then they had perfect chemistry and outperformed expectations and the idea was that all the main pieces were in place, that if Bledsoe doesn't miss 30+, Dragic doesn't miss 30+, Len plays a whole season, and the Morrii develop, that a piece here or there and they could be a 55+ win team. And it was reasonable as the Suns had a near .700 win percentage in the roughly 35 games Bledsoe and Dragic started in the backcourt. They had three of the top-5 most improved players in the League, and they were adding a young, athletic 7-footer who was rumored to be going #1 overall until Cleveland ed it all up.
So they added a "backup" PG in Thomas to a value deal, allowed Frye to walk, resigned hustle-bum/fan-favorite/Good Storyline Tucker, and drafted a high upside scorer at SF.
They then proceeded to beat the reigning Champ Spurs on Halloween and then quickly crashes and burned. The clock struck midnight on pumpkins Plumlee, Green, and Thomas proceeded to get his and burned bridges. His agent then created a fuss over starting, and then that tidal wave caught Dragic and his agent.
Before long the team was a shadow of its former upside, and with improbably more questions to answer.
So rather than fold, McDonough doubled down and traded for both now and future assets, acquiring Wright and Knight and lots of future 1sts.
Then he went all in, trading the lesser Morrii, setting the table to trade the better Morrii, committed major bucks to Chandler in hopes of luring Aldridge, which seemed to work until ing Pat Riley, and then watched as it all imploded. Had it not...
PG: Bledsoe, Price
SG: Knight, Booker, Goodwin
SF: Warren, Tucker
PF: Aldridge, Leuer
C: Len, Chandler
Rights to Bogdanovic
Two 1sts in 2016
Six 1sts from 2017-2020
That's not a bad team or plan.
But it failed. Failed badly. They saw their shot, took it, and missed, twice.
Problem isn't in the failing, it's in the wallowing in the failing.
This team will not win with Markieff on the roster.
But he's toxic now. And no return will bring his upside or contract value in return.
And they still have a MAX contract combined twixt Chandler and Tucker for a while.
So, the whole situation sucks.
You're nuts.
They were discussing this on Bill Simmons's podcast the other day IIRC..he was saying how the Suns did one of the quickest 180s he can remember, where they went from having one of the best outlooks in the NBA(promising players that are still young, the Lakers pick, a bunch of assets, etc) to having toxic/washed-up players and puzzling contacts..
Where would you go from here?
I'd stay the course & brazen it out. If you're still in the pickle after the 16-17 season then think about starting over.
Fire Hornacek, trade Markieff, decide you're okay with rebuilding the right way and blow the up. The two guard system doesn't work, especially when your two guards can't pass, so either Knight or Bledsoe will need to go, hopefully it's both.
It's why you can't trust the process. There is no process.
And it wasn't 180, it was 360 degrees. They went from 30 wins to 50 wins to maybe 30 wins in 3 years. And not because they did something horribly wrong. They just didn't do a lot right, or enough right.
Even still, they are in a better place talent and pick wise than they were three years ago.
But they have a lot of iffy contracts now, even if newly CaP friendly, they are still lengthy and iffy because of the players.
I've said for a decade almost, so long as Sarver is running things, better than not they'll be run into the ground.
Why the haven't the Suns traded Markieff? I mean , team morale should be more important than getting value for him.
Because they just signed him for $32 million on a 4 year contract. They can't get that back. They're going to have to send quality with him and Sarver will not do it. They don't want to look the fool after this...because they know he's gonna rat 'em out.
Prior to first game this season, with the inflation of salaries, that 4/32 was one of the best bargains in basketball for a non-rookie, longer-term contract.
His mopish play and toxic antics have only recently made it and him look bad, obviously on purpose, because you don't just go from an efficient 15-7 to playing like a post-Monstars Barkley.
Exactly. It's sabotage, but, they did him & his brother dirt. They got a hard-on for some in' reason, or, perhaps no reason at all and ed with these two guys knowing they were sensitive & emotional & male twins. They knew exactly what they were doing, but, they went ahead with it anyway. Then when they lash back they act all surprised and reach for the "professional" card. No. Ownership gave up that professional card a long time ago when they started letting players back sass. Too late now to pick & choose who you're going to treat like a man, and who you're going to bend over for. They're bent over ing everywhere cept in San Antonio.
They tried to have their cake (Aldridge) and eat it too (Keep Markieff in case no Aldridge).
They should have just traded both same time, same day, and if possible, same team.
ty all the way around.
JM, there was no way LMA was ever coming to the Suns. That was an accommodation by LMA and his agent and the Suns. It was never going to happen. He was sealed into San Antonio as far back as last season on a verbal.
pretty much.
I'm largely in agreement, only Woj says differently.
Either way, they needed to wholesale commit to a plan and not half ass.
If it's all or nothing, I am completely accurate.
"a verbal"
lol.. no
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