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    Haven't seen the movie because crowds. But I did just finish the novelization. So while I can't really comment on the visuals or directing, I can talking about the storyline and spoilers.

    SPOILERS -- though at this point, people should know to just stay out of this thread.

    I thought both Finn and Rey became weaker characters as the story went on. Finn never had that air of being a supercharged badass, which I really liked. But after opening act had him and Rey forming a pretty solid partnership, he really lost almost all of his power. Dude was supposed to be an awesome marksman, but they totally take away his gun for the final act. Instead of him growing into the role of legit fighter, he was pretty much relegated to be emotional support for Rey and to be the damsel in distress. And he gets friend-zoned while in a coma. How sad is that?

    His arc can totally be redeemed in the following movies by him either learning he's force-sensitive or figuring out how to be a worthwhile character despite having no force powers (like Jango and Bobo). I don't see why he can't become better with a lightsaber anyway. But I could also see him being completely marginalized in the next movies to make room for the Poe/Rey lovefest. I actually don't know what would be worse for Finn: For him to let himself be cucked by Poe or for him to be part of a stupid-ass love triangle.

    Rey was best when she was a resourceful girl, kinda like a female Han Solo. Her being able to defend herself was cool, and as I said, she and Finn formed a solid partnership, which is something you rarely see between men and women in movies. The fact that they essentially took the qualities of Luke, Han and Leia and shuffled and combined them into two characters was very welcome for me, as it took away a lot of the fat that hung on the trio in the original trilogy.

    Things started to fall apart as soon as she got the messiah treatment. After that, she pretty much got every cool point. The producers want to act like her arc is new or even not worn out, but it is. , pretty much every movie made about a female YA book has girls who are combat savants and who end up becoming way too powerful for any logical progression to justify. If we have to watch two more movies of her becoming the space version of Katniss, it might completely kill the series for me. I have no issue with her being a Jedi, but damn it if she is going to just be able to do everything on her own because the producers are determined to secure support from feminists.

    Ren wasn't bad to me. What was wrong with his character is what's wrong with the whole series. It's never made sense that you only have two choices when using the force. Games like KOTOR tried to show that there was a lot of gray area. I don't get why it would be hard to just have Jedi powers while being able to think for yourself? And since when is having emotions NOT okay for the dark side? It seems like they would be the group that would allow themselves to act viscerally while the light side is all disciplined. Then you have the true id/superego dichotomy.

    I think the final battle would have been stronger had Rey used the saber teamed up with Finn (who's using a blaster) to hold off Ren. Sort of like the final battle of Windwaker. Like Ren can't finished off Rey because he has to keep deflecting Finn's shots, but he can't force-push Finn away because Rey attacks anytime he tries. Then, you could have Ren go balls out and wound Finn before Rey strikes him. Would get you to the same situation while keeping everyone's integrity.
    http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-11-bigges...e-v-1749329046

    some interesting differences

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    For the most part, it seems like the book just had more connective tissue, which is what it's supposed to do. As I believe I've said already, I still intend to see the movie. I just wanted to make sure I didn't get things spoiled for me before I got the chance. But I do really like that I went the book route too. You'd think the added material was canonized by Disney, so the implications are probably accurate. In fact, the novel is probably more reliable than Abrams' opinion. I will totally be reading the book for the next movie as well.

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    But yeah, that speeder scene is a perfect example of the good from Finn's and Rey's relationship. Their chemistry in those moments was really good, and it's a shame that didn't seem to come across on screen. That makes it an even bigger shame that they didn't have them take on Ren in a cooperative fashion rather than that tag-team bull.

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    So... basically you are a moron?

    Got it
    Says the buttburt mavs fan.

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    Finally saw it. Visually and musically it was the least inspired SW film imo. I can't recall Williams phoning in a SW score like this but then I can't blame him based on the movie.
    Also, I'm probably one of the few people pissed JJ used a flashback when Lucas was adamant not to use them but whatever.

    It felt more like fan fiction than SW to me but there were some sequences and characters I liked, so in that context I'll give it 7/10.


    yeah in that flashback it seems to infer she was trained at a young age then hidden. Maybe Luke's daughter, perhaps he creampied another Jedi which would make Rey very powerful imo.
    Admittedly, I did a microdose (1 gram) of mushrooms about an hour before I went, and smoked a large bowl, but some of the visual effects bothered me - especially the super star destroyer flyby scenes. It just looked kinda blurry in a lot of spots. There is a certain standard set by 2001, and some of the effects were just not up to par. But overall, I enjoyed it despite the rehashing.

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    Harrison ford made 25 mill for his appearance, compared to the rest of the cast
    http://variety.com/2015/film/news/ha...st-1201666236/

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    Movie projected to make 1 billion by end of weekend

    http://variety.com/2015/film/box-off...ns-1201667605/

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    Kill that POS Avatar pls

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    Should I see it or not?

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    Should I see it or not?
    You will.

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    Not necessarily...never saw Episode 3 tbh, and have expunged 1 and 2 from my memory

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    Should I see it or not?
    I liked it, I wasn't expecting a whole lot.

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    Not necessarily...never saw Episode 3 tbh, and have expunged 1 and 2 from my memory
    Episode 3 was great. And I just saw TFA for a second time this time in 3D. I enjoyed the story even better this time. Kylo Ren is underrated by some here.

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    Kill that POS Avatar pls


    1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0 $760.5 27.3% $2,027.5 72.7% 2009
    51 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV $813.5 $391.1 48.1% $422.4 51.9% 2015

    Long way to go to catch the all time world wide box office record.

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    Admittedly, I did a microdose (1 gram) of mushrooms about an hour before I went, and smoked a large bowl, but some of the visual effects bothered me - especially the super star destroyer flyby scenes. It just looked kinda blurry in a lot of spots. There is a certain standard set by 2001, and some of the effects were just not up to par. But overall, I enjoyed it despite the rehashing.
    the psychedelics probably made it worse. When I was smoking a lot I'd watch movies like the prequels and just focus on the effects. It's like the weed slowed things down so I could really notice the compositing. I'd struggle with the overall movie more, like the tapestry wasn't coming together, but I could see all the s ching.

    The visuals bothered me in the sense that the lighting, camera movements, editing etc... didnt feel like SW. Lucas is much better at world building than JJ imo. Still the dialogue is much better so it's a trade off.

    Not necessarily...never saw Episode 3 tbh, and have expunged 1 and 2 from my memory
    I think you should see it. I wasn't that interested in this new one and while not a huge fan I don't regret seeing it.

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    the psychedelics probably made it worse. When I was smoking a lot I'd watch movies like the prequels and just focus on the effects. It's like the weed slowed things down so I could really notice the compositing. I'd struggle with the overall movie more, like the tapestry wasn't coming together, but I could see all the s ching.

    The visuals bothered me in the sense that the lighting, camera movements, editing etc... didnt feel like SW. Lucas is much better at world building than JJ imo. Still the dialogue is much better so it's a trade off.


    I think you should see it. I wasn't that interested in this new one and while not a huge fan I don't regret seeing it.
    psychadelics help me sit there in a theater, it was a low dose so i just zoned out and enjoyed the movie but if i had taken just a bit more you would be right
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    I thought it was a good movie.

    The biggest problem I have with it is that in a storyline & drama sense there's a lot going on still with the old characters & The Resistance (ie the Empire's re-emergence in the First Order, the void that's been left with Luke going away, The Resistance needing, trying to get him back, Princess/General Leia's & Han's changed/broken relationship, Kylo Ren's hatred for his father & loyalty to Darth Vader & the Darkside, KR's disloyalty to Leia) but they weren't given the due screen time to do it justice.

    Basically a lot of the storyline & drama hinges on happening to the older characters while the newer ones are given screen time priority by quite a bit. I thought that the transition from old-to-new characters definitely needed to happen, but it wasn't as balanced as it needed & I hoped it would be given that the old characters still have a big stake in the plot.

    They've got 2 other movies to flesh out the new characters more.

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    Not necessarily...never saw Episode 3 tbh, and have expunged 1 and 2 from my memory
    But you did watch eps 4-5-6 right?


    Episode 7 is close to the originals

    Prequels were

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    Episode 3 was great. And I just saw TFA for a second time this time in 3D. I enjoyed the story even better this time. Kylo Ren is underrated by some here.
    how is it in 3d tbh?

    I watched it 2nd time today, but it was a bootleg this time

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    how is it in 3d tbh?

    I watched it 2nd time today, but it was a bootleg this time
    It's amazing in 3D tbh.

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    1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0 $760.5 27.3% $2,027.5 72.7% 2009
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    Long way to go to catch the all time world wide box office record.
    Remember, it hasn't opened in China yet.

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    at the neckbeards in here.

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    Remember, it hasn't opened in China yet.
    I read it ended up 2nd in Japan behind some anime lol

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    at the neckbeards in here.
    Watch it, I'm learning to use the Force

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    It's amazing in 3D tbh.
    Thanks

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