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Bird isn't top 10
We have the immortals (Michael, Larry, Magic and Kareem) who will forever be in the list no matter what. Russell and Chamberlain are most likely locks too due to the mythical-like nature of their accomplishments. That's 6.
In no particular order, we have Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Olajuwon. Curry is on pace to belong in that list, barring injury. Durant can still get there. Anthony Davis with a change of scenery can as well...
Other than Lebron, the rest IMO could drop as soon as the next great player becomes eligible in conversation. Duncan has 5 rings but he wasn't even the best player in 2 of those (Kawhi and Parker both had FMVP). He never won DPOY and he never led a team to a back to back.
I'm in the distinct minority on this, but I don't think Duncan ever reached David Robinson's peak. Duncan just never dominated the league which makes him susceptible to obscurity.
Most importantly though, we all know this is not just about on court presence. Duncan is still virtually unknown despite being an All-Star player much of his 20 years in the league. He never was an endorser, never been talked about in social media and was never been considered both by the media and fans as the face of the NBA.
If the debate is about "the best teammate" or "the best leader," then I'm right there with you for Duncan, as subjective and unquantifiable as those concepts are. As far as all-time greats go, I think Duncan will barely crack the Top 10 in another decade...
Bird isn't top 10
TD is 2nd best player of all time. Only TD-MJ-Hakeem played on both ends
If Duncan gets dropped from the Top 10, that would mean Lebron and Kobe did too since they are inferior.
Anthony Davis, you people will see how overrated this dude is soon enoughMinny KLove with shot blocking
Hard to say since the landscape always changes. 10'years ago, excluding Bird from the Top 10 list is blasphemy. Now, it could be up for debate.
Duncan IMO has every right to be in it. He has the hardware and he's been consistently great throughout his career. His popularity may hurt him, by how much, I'm not sure. One good example is Moses Malone who by all rights should be in the conversation but isn't. Like Duncan, he was a guy who got it done but but never got the attention and recognition he deserved.
Kobe went from top ten to not mention at all.
Duncan is top 5 without question.
Top 5 is a reach
Now that there is a heavy emphasis on analytics I would say yes since Duncan scores very high all-time in the analytics department. Combine winning, awards, and analytics it will be hard for many players to top Duncan. Also OP is a brain dead re by saying Duncan was not the best player on the '07 le team. Parker won finals mvp but Duncan was the best player during the '07 playoffs. The '14 spurs were more like the '04 Pistons in the sense they really did win as a team since there was no superstar. Parker lead the team in scoring while Duncan was number 2 and Kawhi was number 3 in scoring during that playoff run. Different guys stepped up during different playoff series.
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Fwiw, Kobe's name gets the most traffic in the league, whether it's good or bad
It means a lot. I'll give another example. Dr. J.
Erving was really good, but not great like old school heads would like us to believe
Duncan's lack of popularity will come back and bite him in the ass.
Michael is the god of the game....so he isn't on anyone's Rushmore..he is god..
Now after Michael is established as god..then my 1st Rushmore would be as follows:
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Zeke
2nd Rushmore is:
Hakeem
Chamberlain
Russell
West
3rd Rushmore is:
Shaq
Kobe
Iverson
Pipen
4th Rushmore is:
Lebron
Dirk
Nash
Duncan
Not in this era or other eras that proceed this era since Stat Geeks have taken over when it comes to sports analysis.It means a lot. I'll give another example. Dr. J.
Erving was really good, but not great like old school heads would like us to believe
Duncan's lack of popularity will come back and bite him in the ass.
I mean a ton can change in 20-30 years...I'm not sure anyone (aside from MJ maybe) has a "permanent" spot in the top 10. But considering Duncan is clearly top 5 at this point, it'll likely be a while before there's an argument for him not being top 10.
I could understand why you'd disagree with that, but it's really simple. If you had an all-time NBA draft, given the careers that each player has had to this point, Duncan goes no lower than 5th. And you could make an argument for 3rd, after Jordan and Kareem.Top 5 is a reach
18 years of a dominant big, an S+ defensive player who is also an elite offensive force for 16 years of that 18. Consummate teammate, elite passer for a big man, very healthy for a big, no drama, no trade demands, nada. Just 18 years of brilliance. You can't make a lock-tight case for 5 players over him. You can make an argument for Bird/Magic/Shaq, but that's by no means an easy discussion, and Duncan beats them in stats and longevity.
Mother ing Boom.
He's top five but the common nba fan is so blindly delusional, they woould dismiss the statement almost immediately. Then they'd follow up the statement with "insert nba's full of , face of the league player, here" followed by:
-various flashy offensive player who is considered an all-star but isn't at all elite and/or
-doesn't do in the playoffs here or volume scorer/usage player who but doesn't help the team and/or
-incognito cancer still considered dominant by the media s and/or-scorer who gets most of his points of phantom calls and/or
-contract player who's stats will dwindle completely after getting paid. and/or
-player that only seems like an all-star because of being a leech off a superstar but wouldn't perform nearly close as well without said superstar and/or
-all-star caliber player who has public relations cover up his ups
and or...etc.
Honestly, as long as I know, its fine because they're no overcoming vast ignorance.
Duncan is an immortal. We've moved on from "per game" stats as the be-all indicator of player value a very long time ago. The Lakers (and apparently their fans) still haven't, which is why they've been one of the worst NBA organizations in the analytics age.
Best leader/teammatr shouldnt be considered while marketability and traffic should....
Duncan has been the spurs best player in all 5 of their championships, tbh.
And regarding the "not dominant" troll attempt (or incredible ignorant comment), Duncan is one of the few players to have won reg season and finals MVP in the same season. That's the ultimate dominance accomplishment and only the true great dominant ones have pulled that off.
Lakerfan doesnt seem to get tired getting their pushed in in these kinds of discussions.
Btw bro RsxPiimp even after kobe announced he was retiring, poll still says that the majority of the world thinks duncan is better than kobe talk about dat traffic
Not so much in the first 5th. He let Amy & Bats take turns bustin' his crapper.
Of course...Duncan skates by '13. He never had to answer for it. Amy outing him was left alone by MSM. Instead ESPN alerted their affiliates along the line and he was covered comprehensively.
Duncan is just as battered, if not more so than Bryant. Bryant kept his marriage, kept his children. Duncan lost his marriage, lost his children to the state. They tell him when he can & cannot visit his children.
Kobe curry and durant
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