Fathead Vs. Marco

[Kawhitstorm]

#88: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/2

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#4: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/5

[SAGirl]

#88: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/2

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#4: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/5

Probably one of the reasons we are so much better defensively. As much as we miss some of Marco's shooting, it had been noticed before that he gave back more on the other end. I don't think Pop would have gone forth with Marco as the sixth man even if we didn't have Manu this season.

I think Pop's was more interested in trying to keep Cojo (though I'm not a fan if his, his hustle and defense is a game changer. I thought he did a number on Patty and Tony in that Raptor's game), and they only withdrew Cojo's offer when it was clearly impossible to retain him.

The guys they got instead to try out for Marco's spot all play defense, and as hesitant and passive as Kyle was early in the season, if there was one thing Pop would not tolerate, it was the slightest defensive mistake. Simmons had defensive upside from the very beginning, due to his athleticism and energy, what he lacked was experience.

I think Pop's had enough of bad defense and as much as Manu's offensive game will be missed, to my eye Pop prioritized getting at least some of the defensive impact Manu had in that second unit bc you are no try going to get an exact replica of MAnu.

[cjw]

Imagine how much better Kawhi's DRPM would be if Marco were sopping up those SF minutes when he's on the bench given how RPM is impacted by how teammates perform relative to you, as well as team performance.

[Kawhitstorm]

Imagine how much better Kawhi's DRPM would be if Marco were sopping up those SF minutes when he's on the bench given how RPM is impacted by how teammates perform relative to you, as well as team performance.

It wouldn't matter: RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors. You are referring to plus/minus.

[Kawhitstorm]

Probably one of the reasons we are so much better defensively. As much as we miss some of Marco's shooting, it had been noticed before that he gave back more on the other end. I don't think Pop would have gone forth with Marco as the sixth man even if we didn't have Manu this season.

Although the sample size is small, Simmons/Fathead are shooting better than Marco from 3 this season

[ElNono]

Not hating on Fathead, but if we had any realistic option to resign Marco, I would've taken him back 10/10 times...

[Raven]

is this the Raven appreciation thread?

[bklynspursfan]

Not hating on Fathead, but if we had any realistic option to resign Marco, I would've taken him back 10/10 times...

+1... Marco's teammates/team are far worse defensively so that factors into the #'s. Not to mention KA is only playing like 12mpg compared to Marco playing 25

[SAGirl]

Not hating on Fathead, but if we had any realistic option to resign Marco, I would've taken him back 10/10 times...

Maybe you, and not bc of Kyle (though you may think that's why I am saying it).

I thought Marco wasn't going to be in our plans no matter what. I thought Pops actually wanted Cojo more if he could only retain one, and as I said, I'm not a fan of Cojo per se.

Much like Tiago was gone bc you can't build around the team's future with such an injury prone player, Marco without a player of MAnu's caliber to be disruptive on defense and take the bench's biggest offensive threat wasn't worth it to PATFO to build around. Just my 2 cents.

[SAGirl]

is this the Raven appreciation thread?

[Raven]

+1... Marco's teammates/team are far worse defensively so that factors into the #'s. Not to mention KA is only playing like 12mpg compared to Marco playing 25

is that because rondo is #9 at his position casspi #7, cousins #5, james anderson #17, mclemore #46, gay #54? out of those with big minutes, Gay is less than a point negative and mclemore is a 1.20 negative. The only one close is Collison with more than 3 negative, and guess who he plays with the most?

[Kawhitstorm]

+1... Marco's teammates/team are far worse defensively so that factors into the #'s. Not to mention KA is only playing like 12mpg compared to Marco playing 25

Again, RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors. He is being exposed b/c Tim/Kawhi/Danny aren't there to bail him out.

[ceperez]

Probably one of the reasons we are so much better defensively. As much as we miss some of Marco's shooting, it had been noticed before that he gave back more on the other end. I don't think Pop would have gone forth with Marco as the sixth man even if we didn't have Manu this season.

I think Pop's was more interested in trying to keep Cojo (though I'm not a fan if his, his hustle and defense is a game changer. I thought he did a number on Patty and Tony in that Raptor's game), and they only withdrew Cojo's offer when it was clearly impossible to retain him.

The guys they got instead to try out for Marco's spot all play defense, and as hesitant and passive as Kyle was early in the season, if there was one thing Pop would not tolerate, it was the slightest defensive mistake. Simmons had defensive upside from the very beginning, due to his athleticism and energy, what he lacked was experience.

I think Pop's had enough of bad defense and as much as Manu's offensive game will be missed, to my eye Pop prioritized getting at least some of the defensive impact Manu had in that second unit bc you are no try going to get an exact replica of MAnu.

The numbers do show that Kyle Anderson's defense is way up there. He's able to get steals, blocks and his length is disruptive. Much better than what people's eye-test are telling them.

Last game, he shooting looked pretty much improved in terms of accuracy. Used to be his shot would bounce on the ring before going in, now its just nothing but net.

[Raven]

Again, RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors. He is being exposed b/c Tim/Kawhi/Danny aren't there to bail him out.

he's also #70 of 75 in 2014 too he was #50 of 54 the year before too (at the same time DG was #1 )

[ElNono]

Marco was a huge fit for the kind of game the Spurs were playing back then... He's a player that moves extremely well off the ball, and that was a must on our motion offense. He's also a relative known commodity, not somebody that has yet to develop. Considering the Spurs are still in the win now mode with old Tim and Manu, he was more of a sure thing, IMO, despite any drawbacks.

But we couldn't afford him and there was no reason for him not to cash in on a couple of successful seasons with the Spurs.

[Raven]

Marco was a huge fit for the kind of game the Spurs were playing back then... He's a player that moves extremely well off the ball, and that was a must on our motion offense. He's also a relative known commodity, not somebody that has yet to develop. Considering the Spurs are still in the win now mode with old Tim and Manu, he was more of a sure thing, IMO, despite any drawbacks.

But we couldn't afford him and there was no reason for him not to cash in on a couple of successful seasons with the Spurs.

well, how did that work out ...

[SAGirl]

Although the sample size is small, Simmons/Fathead are shooting better than Marco from 3 this season

They are not hopeless. Reluctant to shoot the 3 yes, but very dangerous doing other things. As long as they can hit it when open and keep improving on the shot, they are better in the long run. Not even next to our starters Marco had a defensive rating like a 22 yr old Kyle (who by the way has seen his share of funky lineups and garbage time and rarely benefits from playing next to Kawhi. His defense is what has kept him playing and why Pop has been so strict with him.)

[Hoops Czar]

Again, RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors. He is being exposed b/c Tim/Kawhi/Danny aren't there to bail him out.

What are you talking about? He was exposed just as bad last year with the likes of Timmy, Kawhi and Danny. He's been a zero on defense for his entire career.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rp...RPM/position/2

I certainly do miss his instant offense and passing ability coming off the bench especially on nights where the Spurs offense can't get out of its own way. As for KA, I'm not sure his 30 seconds a game average in high leverage or meaningful situation is really enough to go on in regards to being 4th in DPM. Yeah, he's been great against 3rd stringers. Metta World Peace is 5th in the league and he's playing on a team that's ranked 29th in total defense.

[ElNono]

well, how did that work out ...

1 ring, and 1 first round exit... I would say pretty damn good

[Raven]

1 ring, and 1 first round exit... I would say pretty damn good

no. 1first round exit and almost another. 1 ring when he wasn't playing.

[ceperez]

Marco was a huge fit for the kind of game the Spurs were playing back then... He's a player that moves extremely well off the ball, and that was a must on our motion offense. He's also a relative known commodity, not somebody that has yet to develop. Considering the Spurs are still in the win now mode with old Tim and Manu, he was more of a sure thing, IMO, despite any drawbacks.

But we couldn't afford him and there was no reason for him not to cash in on a couple of successful seasons with the Spurs.

He didn't deliver the first year in the playoffs.

The second year he delivered in a crucial game that the Spurs lost. Unfortunate.

[ElNono]

no. 1first round exit and almost another. 1 ring when he wasn't playing.

But he did play. Including the Finals.

I know you never liked the guy, but he certainly wasn't a hindrance to win a ring. That's pretty damn good.

And for all the ing, he was one of our better players against the Clips.

[ElNono]

He didn't deliver the first year in the playoffs.

The second year he delivered in a crucial game that the Spurs lost. Unfortunate.

He played well against Portland, and gave us some minutes and shots in the Finals.

The problem is thinking he was some sort of star. He's a decent offensive role player with well known limitations on defense.

Pop knew this and used him accordingly.

Whoever thinks Marco is more than that is simply mistaken.

[KimmyGib]

No offense (or defense?) to Marco, but I like the team better without him on it. Seemed like invariably his man would go off.

[ElNono]

The point though is that Marco was more of a known quan y. You know what he does well and what he doesn't do well.

Anderson is limited too right now, but he's still developing, which is both good and bad. Good because he can get better, bad because it's hard to play him in high stakes games when you don't know if he's able to raise to the occasion.

Which is why I think he will still have a minimal role this season. I think Pop is still watching him and Simms to grasp what he has there and how to use them. It doesn't mean Kyle is not good enough, just that he's not a known quan y just yet. His time will eventually come.