Fathead Vs. Marco

[100%duncan]

This team def needs a little bit more three point juice. Patty Mills and Danny Green are essentially the only volume three pointers this team have. Kawhi and Manu are not natural three pointers even if the former is the best in the league.

The issue with having only Mills and Green is that both of them play their minutes seperatly majority of the time so that leaves most of the rotation with only one shooter. If one isnt hitting it, then there is really no alternative for the specific rotation.

Both Kawhi and Manu demand enough respect from the three point line but they are a much more versatile scorer.

Can the spurs win without another one, yeah...but it would make life easier for them against the warriors if they add another one.

The "need" is highlighted because Dg has sucked so far. Imagine the old dg(like tonight), mills hitting like himself, kawhi with 2-3 threes per game, bobo manu parker with the occasional 3s. All of them command respect whilst not being a liabilty to the defense like marco was.

And we really shouldnt take for granted the context our FO was under in, who was available and what did we have left to offer.

[SAGirl]

As of now Kyle Anderson is the only Spurs player that can do some of the things Ginobili can do.

I think he has a place here, and his job right now is to learn, so he is learning.

Pop doesnt have a problem with him, but for the very limited role he will have this year, he will play Simmons now to see if he can play him, over Anderson who Pop already knows what to expect.

I think we have to wait to see if Anderson plays over Simmons, because as of now Simmons needs the minutes more than Anderson.

PS: Its the same situation between Bonner and Boban, while i agree Boban is a better player, you could make the case as if who of him and bonner wil have the 13th spot, well as of now it looks like boban gets more PT than the red mamba, but it coul be argued that this is because Boban needs the playing time while Boner already knoes the plays and system.

I see it differently, at this point I think Pop has decided to go with Simmons over Kyle bc Kyle is too unpredictable and will still make bad decisions with the ball at times. I think you are more likely to know what Simmons will want to do than you do Kyle. Simmons stays within the system except in transition. Even if he makes a mistake he was at least playing within the system.

Kyle's a bit unpredictable, and will freelance at times. He's able to save possessions going nowhere bc he can get his own shot and has done so at a relative high rate lately, so he's gotten a bit of a leash against some weaker teams but he's always looked to pass first, then his shot. I think Pop's just observing him and then getting on him if he's screwing up. He's capable of the highlight pass or shot, or he may get trapped with no exit. He has to make reads quicker, but it's tricky bc if you are nonchalant with the ball it's a TO and the bench and you have to be put in situations to figure things out.

He's intriguing though bc when Manu retires a creative passer will be very much a need. Simmons is a good passer, but he stays within the offense. Kyle has potential to be on another level finding cutters and seeing other things. He's probably at the stage where the game is developing too fast for him and his timing is off. If you hesitate your pass window is closed. Timings and stuff like that you have to play actual games to work on and he will get trapped occasionally. A lot of those things are purely from vet savvy, you anticipate what the defense is doing etc. He's just not there yet and needs more playing time but that is not development time you can spare against the strongest teams in the league... and yet it's something that you want to develop nonetheless.

[ceperez]

I see it differently, at this point I think Pop has decided to go with Simmons over Kyle bc Kyle is too unpredictable and will still make bad decisions with the ball at times. I think you are more likely to know what Simmons will want to do than you do Kyle. Simmons stays within the system except in transition. Even if he makes a mistake he was at least playing within the system.

Kyle's a bit unpredictable, and will freelance at times. He's able to save possessions going nowhere bc he can get his own shot and has done so at a relative high rate lately, so he's gotten a bit of a leash against some weaker teams but he's always looked to pass first, then his shot. I think Pop's just observing him and then getting on him if he's screwing up. He's capable of the highlight pass or shot, or he may get trapped with no exit. He has to make reads quicker, but it's tricky bc if you are nonchalant with the ball it's a TO and the bench and you have to be put in situations to figure things out.

He's intriguing though bc when Manu retires a creative passer will be very much a need. Simmons is a good passer, but he stays within the offense. Kyle has potential to be on another level finding cutters and seeing other things. He's probably at the stage where the game is developing too fast for him and his timing is off. If you hesitate your pass window is closed. Timings and stuff like that you have to play actual games to work on and he will get trapped occasionally. A lot of those things are purely from vet savvy, you anticipate what the defense is doing etc. He's just not there yet and needs more playing time but that is not development time you can spare against the strongest teams in the league... and yet it's something that you want to develop nonetheless.

I don't think Kyle will be playing anywhere but with the Spurs. He's the 3rd best passer in the team (behind Manu and Boris), but any passer needs to have receivers that get the timing right. That takes familiarity with you teammates that can only come with practice.

Right now, I think he's a the level of Shaun Livingtson, but without the green light. He absolutely needs to improve his 3 point shooting so players can't sag off him. His shot actually looks much improved since the start of the season, this could be a good sign. You just never know when he'll jump the shark in that skill set.

[tholdren]

Marco is instant offense and would take and sometimes make a big shot.

Anderson isn't wired that way. He would make a good pass or the correct off ball play.

Both are equally important - I don't feel like either is exponentially better than the other

TIE

[SAGirl]

I don't think Kyle will be playing anywhere but with the Spurs. He's the 3rd best passer in the team (behind Manu and Boris), but any passer needs to have receivers that get the timing right. That takes familiarity with you teammates that can only come with practice.

Right now, I think he's a the level of Shaun Livingtson, but without the green light. He absolutely needs to improve his 3 point shooting so players can't sag off him. His shot actually looks much improved since the start of the season, this could be a good sign. You just never know when he'll jump the shark in that skill set.

You are right ceperez!! I have to agree with you.

[Raven]

Marco is instant offense and would take and sometimes make a big shot.

Anderson isn't wired that way. He would make a good pass or the correct off ball play.

Both are equally important - I don't feel like either is exponentially better than the other

TIE

KA is exponentially better and it's not even a discussion or contest. And you guys pretend like the italian 500 was Gary Neal on offense, creating his own shot and ..

[sexinthatsx]

Kyle Anderson is the mismatch that the Spurs need tbh. Spurs sacrificed letting a 3 point marksman go for developing a point forward that can pass in Kyle Anderson. Like everyone else has said, given that Ginobili is basically the playmaker and ball distributor of the team, Kyle Anderson is needed more than Marco Belinelli.

[TD 21]

Letting go of someone is saying they don't value what you bring to the table for your cost. Cost/benefit wasn't there. Hence let go.

Apparently you've never heard of the salary cap.

But, they have shooters, you are acting like they don't.
If the rest of your 9 man rotation is not going to get it done, you are not going to expect your 4th wing to save you.
At this point, Kawhi has ascended so stratospherically high that if you need a 3 pt shot, he should be the one taking it.

But they're short one, at least one that's good enough to be in the rotation of a legitimate championship contender.

Look around at other elite teams rotations and think back to recent elite ones. Guys like Simmons/Anderson are not in them.

The difference between elite teams in a series, is more often than not razor thin, which means the margins matter. Neal had a monster game 3 against the Heat in '13. Belinelli hit a huge shot in game 3 against the Heat '14, to stem the tide.

Specifically against the Warriors and particularly on the road, if they're going to outscore the Spurs damn near 3 to 1 from three, the Spurs aren't beating them.

TD21 its not like we dont have enough shooters imho its just that making the 2 is much easier for this team with the new guys (west lma simmons). And we have seen that this team can ring it up offensively when needed like last game and against the clippers. Although I agree that Marco would have been a good fit with this new team, I cant complain due to the historic defense and losing marco is certainly a big part of that. Having a volume 3pt shooter wouldve been great, not necessary, and besides what did we have left to offer and who was left from the field?

To be clear, I'm not criticizing them for losing Belinelli. I'm just saying, he was a better fit and fourth wing, specifically that type of one, it clearly the biggest weakness on the roster and the one spot they need to look to upgrade.

This team def needs a little bit more three point juice. Patty Mills and Danny Green are essentially the only volume three pointers this team have. Kawhi and Manu are not natural three pointers even if the former is the best in the league.

The issue with having only Mills and Green is that both of them play their minutes seperatly majority of the time so that leaves most of the rotation with only one shooter. If one isnt hitting it, then there is really no alternative for the specific rotation.

Both Kawhi and Manu demand enough respect from the three point line but they are a much more versatile scorer.

Can the spurs win without another one, yeah...but it would make life easier for them against the warriors if they add another one.

[100%duncan]

It's not the biggest weakness imho, its exacerbated by the fact that danny has sucked for a while, luckily he's coming together the past few games. Our weakness is another defensive wing who ideally can shoot the 3 to enter the game when kiwi and dg are resting against gsw, belinelli isnt that one. This team can beat any team in a 7 game series right now unquestionably except gsw.

[dabom]

Apparently you've never heard of the salary cap.



But they're short one, at least one that's good enough to be in the rotation of a legitimate championship contender.

Look around at other elite teams rotations and think back to recent elite ones. Guys like Simmons/Anderson are not in them.

The difference between elite teams in a series, is more often than not razor thin, which means the margins matter. Neal had a monster game 3 against the Heat in '13. Belinelli hit a huge shot in game 3 against the Heat '14, to stem the tide.

Specifically against the Warriors and particularly on the road, if they're going to outscore the Spurs damn near 3 to 1 from three, the Spurs aren't beating them.



To be clear, I'm not criticizing them for losing Belinelli. I'm just saying, he was a better fit and fourth wing, specifically that type of one, it clearly the biggest weakness on the roster and the one spot they need to look to upgrade.

Do I need to say cap every ing time I talk. It is already implied.