An Open Rant at Those Who Would Repeal the Second Amendment

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another alternet article

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Virginia Repugs sucking off the gun industry, and such sucking "shall not be infringed"

Virginia Republican Bets Gov. Might Appreciate Guns More If We Let Someone Shoot Him

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe has incurred some serious gun-humper butthurt with a new policy on concealed carry permits. To punish the governor, a state senator has taken an idea from the internet (and a “joke” by Tucker Carlson) and threatened to turn it into actual policy. If McAuliffe is so afraid of guns, well then, how about we eliminate funding for his state police security detail so he won’t have any evil guns around him, and let’s just see how he likes that, hmmmmm?

Here’s the dealio: On Dec. 22, Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring announced the state would no longer recognize concealed-carry permits from 25 other states whose standards for permits are weaker than Virginia’s. Herring’s press release explained the “reciprocity” agreement with those states was ending because “their laws are not sufficient to prevent someone who is disqualified under Virginia law from receiving a concealed handgun permit.”The reaction from gun fondlers was predictable: Tyranny!

Political correctness run amok! What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?

Republican state Sen. Bill Carrico vowed this aggression would not stand, man, telling the Bristol Herald the move was “absurd,” and “all political,” and a “threat to the people of Virginia that have concealed carry handgun permit reciprocity from other states.”

In response to this unspeakable act of tyranny, which would leave Virginians defenseless — or at least would mean folks with concealed carry permits from those 25 states would have to carry openly, which is allowed for virtually all weapons in Virginia — Carrico promised to teach McAuliffe a lesson about messin’ with the gun-humping community:

“A lot of the governor’s power is deferred to the General Assembly at that point and I’ll be getting with my colleagues to cir vent everything this governor has done on this point,” Carrico said. “I have a budget amendment that I’m looking at to take away his executive protection unit. If he’s so afraid of guns, then I’m not going to surround him with armed state policemen.”

http://wonkette.com/597423/virginia-...eone-shoot-him

... and there are certainly inbred gun fellators in VA and elsewhere who'd love to assassinate a no-security-staff McAuliffe

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one more gun equals one more dead daughter

Police: Florida Mom Fatally Shoots Daughter After Mistaking Her For Intruder

ST. CLOUD, Fla. (AP) — Police in central Florida say a mother mistook her daughter for an intruder and shot her to death.

St. Cloud police Sgt. Denise Roberts said Wednesday the mother was asleep when she heard someone enter her home late Tuesday.

The mother told police she heard footsteps approaching quickly so she fired a single shot. She then discovered the person was her 27-year-old daughter.

The daughter was taken to a hospital where she died.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/st...+%28TPMNews%29

[CosmicCowboy]

happens.

Your mom was probably bummed the rubber broke too.

[CosmicCowboy]

Merry Christmas to me! UPS just brought me a present.

[Bender]

according to the MSM, Executive Action coming soon on more gun laws.

[TheSanityAnnex]

according to the MSM, Executive Action coming soon on more gun laws.

Another record setting day of background checks on the horizon. Gun control

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Fox's Ingraham Denies Reality Of Gun Show Loophole And Public Support For Gun Background Checks

Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham defended Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush's false claim that the gun show loophole is not real, while also incorrectly claiming most Americans do not support background checks for gun purchases.

The gun show loophole -- also known as the private sales loophole when sales without background checks are conducted online or through other non-gun show venues -- is real, with the best available data showing that up to 40 percent of all gun sales go through private sellers without a background check, and the loophole exists in Florida.

Even though Florida does not require so-called private sellers to perform background checks on customers, Bush frequently misleads about the strength of gun background checks in Florida.

An October 2015 PolitiFact review of the claim that Ingraham said had "been debunked" found that it was correct, noting multiple polls showing between 80 percent and 93 percent support for background checks. Even more recently, a November 2015 poll found over 80 percent support among gun owners for the proposal, including 81 percent of Republican gun owners.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/01/03/foxs-ingraham-denies-reality-of-gun-show-loopho/207705

The 100% dishonest, imaginary universe of gun fellators "shall not be infringed"

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fox's Ingraham Denies Reality Of Gun Show Loophole And Public Support For Gun Background Checks

Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham defended Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush's false claim that the gun show loophole is not real, while also incorrectly claiming most Americans do not support background checks for gun purchases.

The gun show loophole -- also known as the private sales loophole when sales without background checks are conducted online or through other non-gun show venues -- is real, with the best available data showing that up to 40 percent of all gun sales go through private sellers without a background check, and the loophole exists in Florida.

Even though Florida does not require so-called private sellers to perform background checks on customers, Bush frequently misleads about the strength of gun background checks in Florida.

An October 2015 PolitiFact review of the claim that Ingraham said had "been debunked" found that it was correct, noting multiple polls showing between 80 percent and 93 percent support for background checks. Even more recently, a November 2015 poll found over 80 percent support among gun owners for the proposal, including 81 percent of Republican gun owners.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/01/03/foxs-ingraham-denies-reality-of-gun-show-loopho/207705

The 100% dishonest, imaginary universe of gun fellators "shall not be infringed"

Speaking of dishonest, tell me more about the 40% of guns being sold through unlicensed dealers with no background checks. Where does this data come from? How many people were surveyed? When were they surveyed? When did the Brady bill go into affect? What do the survey's authors say about their own data?

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The N.R.A. remains the dominant force in much of the country, spending more than $32.5 million last year on campaigns and lobbying. It has shown continued muscle in stopping new restrictions and loosening existing ones in many localities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/politics/state-focus-and-infusion-of-funding-buoy-gun-control-advocates.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

2nd Amendment?

Freedom?

NRA corruption, wealthy with BigGun $Ms, purchasing of legislators "shall not be infringed"

Apparently, there's now new $Ms sloshing around from the anti-gun people.

iow, American govt is for sale, for sale CHEAP, totally corrupt, America is ed and un able.

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Your argument doesn't hold up.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."-James Madison

"the best security of a free country" AGAINST EXTERNAL THREATS

goddam, slapping you gun fellatin sickos is fun and easy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You never addressed this and are being 100% dishonest.

Speaking of dishonest, tell me more about the 40% of guns being sold through unlicensed dealers with no background checks. Where does this data come from? How many people were surveyed? When were they surveyed? When did the Brady bill go into affect? What do the survey's authors say about their own data?

[TheSanityAnnex]

"the best security of a free country" AGAINST EXTERNAL THREATS

goddam, slapping you gun fellatin sickos is fun and easy.

Watching you slap yourself is more fun and much easier

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Cons ution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787


"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The Cons ution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and cons ute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, [I]An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Cons ution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The Cons ution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Cons ution of the United States, 1833

"If the representatives of the people betray their cons uents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f cir stances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only subs ute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Madison was an interesting man surely but if the best arguments you can make are on the authority of a man 200 years dead that shows how unlasting the sentiment is.I can find 20th and 21st century philosophers who discuss all the rights of man yet the NRA types choose interpretable quotes from 2 centuries ago.

The biggest example of what things are like when 'everyone has a gun' can be found in American history in the 19th century and the middle east of today. How stable were those areas?

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" American history in the 19th century"

when many cities, towns, saloons, etc made people "check your guns at the door"

[angrydude]

Rich people are just going to poison us all to death anyway. Then they'll turn on each other.

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Rich people are just going to poison us all to death anyway. Then they'll turn on each other.

actually, BigCorp is poisoning all of us, land, water, air, every day

For More Than 50 Years, DuPont Concealed the Cancer-Causing Properties of Teflon

Internal company reports have revealed that DuPont had for many years either known or suspected that Teflon contained a harmful ingredient.

Starting around 1951, DuPont began using another laboratory-formed chemical known as Perfluorooctanoic (PFOA) acid, or C8 (so called because it contains eight carbon molecules), to smooth out the lumpiness of freshly manufactured Teflon. An unusually durable chemical, C8 first entered the world in 1947 and due to its nonstick and stain-resistant properties its use as a “surfactant” spread with extraordinary speed.

The white, powdery compound, often said to look like Tide laundry detergent, would ultimately be used in hundreds of products including fast food wrappers, waterproof clothing, electrical cables, and pizza boxes. (DuPont used to purchase C8 from another chemical company called 3M until 2002, when the company phased it out. DuPont then started manufacturing C8 on its own at a factory in Fayetteville, North Carolina.)

The trouble was that the compound – which has since been linked to a variety of health risks including cancer, liver disease, developmental problems, and thyroid disease – escapes into the air easily. In fact, C8 was often shipped to factories pre-mixed with water to keep the dust from worker’s lungs.

Because it’s an extremely stable chemical, C8 does not biodegrade. Instead, it bioac ulates, building up in people’s blood over time if they continue to drink water or breathe air laced with the substance. Due to its ubiquitous use, the chemical can now be found in trace amounts in the bloodstream of more than 98 percent of Americans, and even in umbilical cord blood and breast milk, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

It’s also been found in the blood of seals, eagles, and dolphins around the world, including in animals living in a remote wildlife refuge in the middle of the North Pacific. The chemical is expected to stay in the environment for thousands of years.

Concerns about the hazards posed by Teflon and C8 began to garner public attention only about 15 years ago. By 2003, DuPont had dispersed almost 2.5 million pounds of C8 from its Washington Works plant into the mid-Ohio River Valley area, according to a peer-reviewed study. The company’s most egregious disposal practices occurred before US environmental laws were first written in the 1970s and included burying toxic waste in drums along the banks of the Ohio River and dropping barrels of it out into the open ocean (where it once caused a scandal when a local fisherman dredged a barrel up in his nets), and, in more recent decades, burying it in local “non-hazardous” landfills.

http://www.alternet.org/personal-hea...perties-teflon

Private profit for public, planetary poisoning.

It was all y'all's HATED govt and its hated EPA environmental laws that stopped the worst of Dupont's crimes.

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Not going to read 10 pages of what I anticipate will be bull , but curious whether anybody really believes a repeal of the 2nd Amendment is in the works.

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repeal of the 2nd Amendment

It's a bogus issue the asshole gun fellators, NRA/GOA/gun-indu$try, as detached from reality as the Bundy bunch, use to jerk each other off, a totally false threat that isn't proposed by gun control people.

Same with "Feds, esp black, Dem Feds, gonna come take all our guns"

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Apologies if it's not a surprise you'd characterize the issue this way, boutons. Some of us would like to hear it from the horse's mouth, however -- for right or wrong.

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Apologies if it's not a surprise you'd characterize the issue this way, boutons. Some of us would like to hear it from the horse's mouth, however -- for right or wrong.

good luck, I figure you'll get nothing but fantasies, paranoia from the horse's mouth.

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good luck, I figure you'll get nothing but fantasies, paranoia from the horse's mouth.

Not saying I disagree, but I'm interested in what argument others might choose. Nothing is black and white besides the infiltrating Stormfront 'stache-lickers' (and a few others' ) positions.

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Here's another paranoia bull spew you sicko gun fellators can fall for, per usual in all y'all's fantasy world for the mentally ill

NRA Unhinged: Obama Is "Our Biggest Threat To National Security"



In the video, the charge that "the biggest threat to national security is sitting in the Oval Office" is made by former Bush administration official John Bolton, a Fox News contributor. Bolton has served in an NRA leadership position and frequently appears in NRA News videos to advance the gun organization's views.

The NRA previously supported, in the words of NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, "mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show," although the gun group has since abandoned this position and now claims expanded background checks would be the precursor to the confiscation of privately owned firearms.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/01...-to-nat/207731

slurp that up, gun fellators, yum yum

[CosmicCowboy]

Smith and Wesson and Ruger stock exploded yesterday on a day where the general market tanked big time.

Sounds lie the voters are voting.

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When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office.


“Just like any other epidemic,” Ms. Shabazz said, “we need to be quarantined, categorized by severity, infused with nutrients, healthy substance, programs, and healed.”
The study has been received here with a measure of enthusiasm and questions about what to do next. And it has caught the attention of researchers around the country, who call it a fairly rare look at gun violence by an agency that they say has been effectively limited for nearly two decades in pursuing that line of inquiry by its congressional appropriation.

The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

“Our investigation was not focused on the mechanism of injury,” said Courtney Lenard, a spokeswoman for the agency, “but rather on understanding opportunities to intervene on more root causes of violence such as prior exposure to violence, family disruption and limited educational attainment.”

The Wilmington research sidestepped the funding restrictions, because it was a response to a request and because “it doesn’t focus as much on the issue of guns themselves; it really focuses on these other risk factors and ways to intervene,” said. Dr. Linda Degutis, the former director of theNational Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the C.D.C. She added that it was frustrating to be unable to do an extensive study on gun violence while she was there.

David Hemenway, a director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, said that could be a shortcoming of an effort to look at gun violence. “Unfortunately they feel like they can only talk about part of the problem, they can’t talk about the gun part of the problem,” Dr. Hemenway said, adding, “Looking at the supply side — how do they get these destructive weapons?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/us...pgtype=article

NRA/gun industry pays Repug s to defund, block govt research of gun violence.

1000s of Americans die and/or injured for profit, and gun industry keeping polluting America with Ms of guns.

More guns sold resulting from Repug/NRA/GOA fear mongering about gun violence

Dead Americans for profit and crime are just corporate businesses.

2nd Amendment?