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BLM version of "to make a murderer"
The Bundy's and the militia may be smarter than I'm giving them credit for. They aren't going to fire any shots and what they are doing in the gov building is stupid, they'll leave peacefully when push comes to shove. But this is now getting major attention and the BLM is being exposed for the pieces of they are. Maybe this was Bundy's plan all along.
BLM version of "to make a murderer"
I still don't get why the Hammonds didn't appeal in the first place and instead decided to do time in jail if they thought they were innocents.
THAT is what doesn't jive with this story, it's basically a tacit admission of guilt. They could've just appealed and had a hearing in front of a different judge.
Like I said, they probably just needed better lawyers...
At trial, the jury found the Hammonds guilty of maliciously setting fire to public public property worth less than $1,000, acquitted them of other charges, and deadlocked on the government’s conspiracy claims. While the jury continued to deliberate, the Hammonds and the prosecution reached a plea agreement in which the Hammonds agreed to waive their appeal rights and accept the jury’s verdict. It was their understanding that the plea agreement would end the case. At sentencing, the trial court refused to apply the mandatory-minimum sentence, holding that five years in prison would be “grossly disproportionate to the severity of the offenses” and that the Hammonds’ fires “could not have been conduct intended [to be covered] under” the Anti-terrorism act: When you say, you know, what if you burn sagebrush in the suburbs of Los Angeles where there are houses up those ravines? Might apply. Out in the wilderness here, I don’t think that’s what the Congress intended. And in addition, it just would not be — would not meet any idea I have of justice, proportionality. . . . It would be a sentence which would shock the conscience to me. Thus, he found that the mandatory-minimum sentence would — under the facts of this case — violate the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against “cruel and unusual punishment.” He sentenced Steven Hammond to two concurrent prison terms of twelve months and one day and Dwight Hammond to one prison term of three months. The Hammonds served their sentences without incident or controversy
^ that doesn't excuse the Hammonds. If they thought they were innocent, they don't have to agree to any plea deal and have every right to appeal.
Considering the alleged egregious behavior by the judge, why wouldn't they opt to keep exercising their rights on a different forum?
Either the judge/prosecutor behavior isn't what the one sided storyline you've been posting was, or they had terrible advice from their lawyers.
This is what I find so funny.
Just let them stay until the get the Snickers urge.
Bunch a country folk eating bark...
After being harassed for as long as they were it's fairly easy to see how they would give in to the initial demands just to end the debacle with the BLM. They appear to be genuine upstanding citizens that were simply tired of fighting and up against a wall. I have little reason to doubt their side of he story, to me it's clear bullying by the BLM.
Parties constantly settle and give up their rights for assurance that they avoid something worse.
So where is the ACLU?
Explain
Protecting Civil Liberties?
Not a good fit?
What does that have to do with what I said?
In general man, why have they not entered the fray? It's great pub? Protecting Nazi marches and all..
Maybe it really has gone so astray with Bundentrance that it's considered too silly to get pub...
Especially up against the Feds. They will win 98% of the time
like the family, he hides behind the troubled grandson and says the BLM made him testify instead of admittiing they used him to set fire to public range land.
taking advantage of his putative mental incapacity then hiding behind it like a shield...
CC says idiots occupying the bird sanctuary got no credibility.
Werd.
Oregon refuge occupation: 'It's getting dark, and it is freezing'
“Their morale has been up for most of the day, but it’s getting dark and it is freezing,”
“But they have layers on; they seem very able-bodied men and women.”
“And there are women there,”
the occupying group has made "no direct demands," but the participants have stated that they will leave if the federal government gives up control of the nearby Malheur National Forest.
They are also demanding freedom or a reduced sentence for two Oregon ranchers whose imprisonment sparked the current standoff, Bundy said.
“We don't want it to end with violence,”
“We're not looking for bloodshed.”
“These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives, to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States,”
“There's 17 buildings and all of them full of people,”
dipping below 15 degrees,
“We can enforce the Cons ution in Harney County and that’s what we intend to do,”Ammon Bundy told reporters. “We have a lot of plans.”
The Southern Poverty Law Center said in a report on that standoff that the militiamen and the federal land-return movement are part of the same spectrum.
“Anti-government extremists have long pushed, most fiercely during Democratic administrations, rabid conspiracy theories about a nefarious New World Order, a socialist, gun-grabbing federal government and the evils of federal law enforcement,”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...103-story.html
Feds won't oust militant occupiers, leader Ammon Bundy says
"They intend not to come up on us," Bundy said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/feds_wont_oust_militant_occupi.html
Like the Oath Keeper sheriffs who claim to be the supreme judges, interpreters, enforcers of the Cons ution (probably without college degree, law degree, even without HS diploma), these Bundy sons are ignorant, simplistic, religiously warped Mormon Moroni idiots.
The Republican candidates are on radio silence.
"We must fully evaluate the ramifications of this deeply disturbing government intervention on the fruitbat arm of our voting public"
The Democrats eagerly await Boots to infiltrate Donald's hair and lay claim to the massive structure as a carbon eating resource to be managed by the federal government.
But I digress...
public lands belong to The American People (c), not the states, not to any ignorant rurals who think they are supreme defenders of the Cons ution, which the don't understand.
Here’s What Happened When Black People Tried Armed Occupation
Members of the liberation group sought a natural lifestyle, free of government control, law enforcement, and technology. They lived together in a barricaded house, protested for animal rights, and ate raw foods. Similar to Bundy’s supporters, they believed the federal government violated their cons utional rights. And with a cache of weapons in their possession, they also advocated armed defense if targeted by the city’s authorities.
On May 13, 1985, officers with warrants and military-grade weapons surrounded their house. Police claimed they were there to evict the group, in response to complaints from locals about MOVE’s use of blow-horns to proselytize late into the night. They pointed deluge guns at the house and yelled at the people inside to evacuate. Tear gas was thrown into the building to smoke them out. But when someone started shooting back, the officers returned the gunfire with 10,000 rounds. Without knowing how many people were inside, they began throwing explosives at the house. And when nobody came out, they dropped a bomb from a helicopter — setting off a fire that spread to 65 homes and that firefighters were ordered not to put out.
In the end, one woman and one child made it out of the house alive. Five children and six adults were killed.
According to survivor Ramona Africa, MOVE residents tried to exit the house but police would not stop shooting at them. “We were met with a barrage of police gunfire. And you could see it hitting all around us, all around the house,” she told Democracy Now. “And it forced us back in to that blazing inferno, several times. And finally, you know, you’re in a position where either you choke to death and burn alive or you possibly are shot to death.” Local journalist Juan Gonzalez verified her account.
Africa also believes the attack on MOVE was aimed at killing its members — not responding to neighbors’ complaints. Years before the bombing, MOVE struck a deal with Philadelphia officials to hand over its weapons and evacuate the house in exchange for the release of some if its detained members. When the city obliged the request, MOVE did not budge. Police subsequently attacked the building with water cannons and battering rams. Some of the radicals opened fire, killing one officer and injuring 16 additional cops and firefighters.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...egon-standoff/
Ammon Bundy, like his father before him, hates the Fed except when taking money from the Fed
Ammon Bundy runs a Phoenix-based company called Valet Fleet Services LLC, which specializes in repairing and maintaining fleets of semitrucks throughout Arizona. On April 15, 2010—Tax Day, as it happens—Bundy's business borrowed $530,000 through a Small Business Administration loan guarantee program. The available public record does not indicate what the loan was used for or whether it was repaid. The SBA website notes that this loan guarantee was issued under a program "to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace." The government estimated that this subsidy could cost taxpayers $22,419. Bundy did not respond to an email request for comment about the SBA loan.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/04/1466117/-Ammon-Bundy-like-his-father-before-him-hates-the-Fed-except-when-taking-money-from-the-Fed?detail=email
Bundy pere still owes taxpayers $1M for using THEIR land for free.
Sounds like rightwingnuts "love free stuff" from that damned guvmint.
Schools forced to close for another week while grown men play militia in Oregon
“Ensuring staff and student safety is our greatest concern,” Marilyn L. McBride, the superintendent of Harney County School District #3, wrote in an e-mail. Schools were originally scheduled to reopen Monday following the winter break.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/4/1466078/-Schools-forced-to-close-for-another-week-while-grown-men-play-militia-in-Oregon??detail=email
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