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    OMG... have you been watching these teams just stand and leave Duncan alone to shoot? Not in the paint, obviously. But out at about 15 feet, they don't even move in his direction. There was one shot last night, I swear he had a 10 foot cushion in every direction, and they just waited for him to shoot. It made me a little sad.

    I hope he starts making them pay for that.

    When Duncan's shot is flat it's sad to watch. But Tim is so amazing that he'll just turn around the other end and block your shot standing up then pass it for a nice easy two.

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    Haters gonna hate. I am a huge Manu fan. I remember being excited when we signed him. I said the same about Simmons too though and people started flipping their . Of course nobody is going to replace Manu as a player but at the same time we will probably never see a player like him again for YEARS if ever. All OP is saying is that he can see similarities in his game/heart.

    People think too much into stuff.

    Maybe be one way to look at it is the spark Simmons brings. To avoid disrespecting Manu. He is a legend. But I like Simmons energy when teams are hanging tough just to go toe to toe with the old legends. Then all of a sudden bam a dose of Kawhi then the bench and some throw downs from Simmons. I love this team!

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    Never saw that guy play, nor knew who he is, but yea, very similar game to Simmons. Very aggressive to the basket, super athletic, a terror in transition. Definitely see it. Even the athletic spin move in the lane.

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    damn this dude dunks he must be a future HOF

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    OMG... have you been watching these teams just stand and leave Duncan alone to shoot? Not in the paint, obviously. But out at about 15 feet, they don't even move in his direction. There was one shot last night, I swear he had a 10 foot cushion in every direction, and they just waited for him to shoot. It made me a little sad.

    I hope he starts making them pay for that.
    I do not want to hijack the thread to make it about Duncan, but I do want to comment on his shot's deterioration. Up until this season his money shot has always been that 15-18 foot bank shot from the wing. His lone persistence in practicing that bank shot is partly responsible for his acquiring the nickname, "The Big Fundamental." Very basic and very high percentage. But this season, I don't even see him taking that shot much. BTW, I have not looked up his shot chart for the season much less compared it with his career. Just eyeballin'.

    Also, back on point about Manu: people forget how athletic the guy was. In his prime he was capable of making some spectacular slam dunks, along with the rest of his repertoire. To me, Simmons' athleticism reminds me somewhat of a young Manu. Not the court vision, the finesse, the BBIQ. But when you see Simmons' relentless attack on the rim it is reminiscent of Manu.

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    damn this dude dunks he must be a future HOF

    Yep, SPURS HOF, tbh.

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    Like another poster said earlier this guy reminds me of Derek Anderson which is not a bad thing considering Anderson was a borderline all-star talent.

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    I do not want to hijack the thread to make it about Duncan, but I do want to comment on his shot's deterioration. Up until this season his money shot has always been that 15-18 foot bank shot from the wing. His lone persistence in practicing that bank shot is partly responsible for his acquiring the nickname, "The Big Fundamental." Very basic and very high percentage. But this season, I don't even see him taking that shot much. BTW, I have not looked up his shot chart for the season much less compared it with his career. Just eyeballin'.
    I am on to your hijack!


    I have noticed what you state too. Lately the only things that still seem like a money shot to me are his unique hook shot over a defender in the middle of the paint. It is the only thing that when he takes it I still feel it will go in most of the time. Sometimes he's offbalance, looks like he's falling or what not, but he still surprises getting that to go.

    His jumpshot? I have not seen that bankshot much either. He does have less shots and now he's the one who has to defer, so he's not going to get to his spots very often, but his jumpshot has been missing for more than a season.

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    Waaaaaay too early for this sort of comparison in any sense. C'mon man, it was a great game for him last night. Lets see him do this consistently before any sort of comparisons to Manu.

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    Waaaaaay too early for this sort of comparison in any sense. C'mon man, it was a great game for him last night. Lets see him do this consistently before any sort of comparisons to Manu.

    Its been stated over and over. There is no intended comparison. Only that his energy off the bench is something similar to what Manu brought. Damn I take it all back ffs. But like GSH mentioned Derek Anderson IS a solid comparison.

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    Hey I'm not trying to be a pest. So don't take the thread in that light. I made it clear that he wasn't replacing Manu. However after reading your detailed post in regards to Manus playing style it makes the similarities in my mind seem silly. I've been a fan for a long time and have seen so many games. I guess I forgot just how great even the little things Manu did. But my intention was not to compare only to note some basics. That's all.
    I apologized. I meant it.

    And, for the record, I got my ass handed to me about Simmons. I thought he looked so terrible in the pre-season that he couldn't possibly make the team. Then I thought they would send him to Austin as much as they could, and maybe send him in for true garbage time when he was here. I was wrong, huh?

    I liked Derek Anderson while he was here. I can't remember the Spurs getting out in transition as much, or as effectively, as they did during the time he was on the floor. He forced the action, and forced the other teams to run a lot more, and he finished strong. Lots of cheap points, and damned exciting to watch. And it doesn't hurt that those plays keep the home town fans energized, and shut the crowd down on away games. That's what I'm seeing out of Simmons, and I'm really happy to see it. That's an extra dimension for this team, and against teams that have a great starting five, but not much of a bench, that kind of play could just wear their asses out.

    Did I mention that he's a lot better than I thought he was going to be?

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    Way too much hype for Simmons which he can't live up to. Manu was a champion and MVP many many times over before he came to the NBA, in Italy and for Argentina. To start comparing Simmons to him is unfair

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    Up until this season his money shot has always been that 15-18 foot bank shot from the wing.
    His jumpshot? I have not seen that bankshot much either. He does have less shots and now he's the one who has to defer, so he's not going to get to his spots very often, but his jumpshot has been missing for more than a season.

    I've commented on it here in the past - thought about starting a thread about it last week, but too many threads already.

    That bank shot all but disappeared several seasons ago. I don't know why, but I wish he would bring it back. He'll shoot one every now and then, but it used to be his go-to. And for a guy who knows how to shoot it, it's a higher-percentage path to the hoop. Not only that, but that slightly off-angle line gave him a split-second advantage on defenders. I know some will laugh that off, but these guys know where they are on the court, and when the guy they are guarding isn't lined up. They'll read it as a pump fake, and that he's going to pull it down and try to go around them.

    The same thing goes for Tony's floater. For a while, he used it with devastating effectiveness. Instead of having to get all the way to the rim, he pulled up in front of the giants, and had a shot up before they even realized it. When he makes those, it forces the bigs to step out some, which makes it easier for him to get around them and take it to the rim.

    It's no secret that the Big 3 are aging. I think Tim and Tony could do a lot to step up their games (at least their effectiveness) by bringing back that 15-foot bank shot, and Tony's teardrop. Sounds simple to me. Maybe they're just too hard to shoot at this point in their careers.

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    I've commented on it here in the past - thought about starting a thread about it last week, but too many threads already.

    That bank shot all but disappeared several seasons ago. I don't know why, but I wish he would bring it back. He'll shoot one every now and then, but it used to be his go-to. And for a guy who knows how to shoot it, it's a higher-percentage path to the hoop. Not only that, but that slightly off-angle line gave him a split-second advantage on defenders. I know some will laugh that off, but these guys know where they are on the court, and when the guy they are guarding isn't lined up. They'll read it as a pump fake, and that he's going to pull it down and try to go around them.

    The same thing goes for Tony's floater. For a while, he used it with devastating effectiveness. Instead of having to get all the way to the rim, he pulled up in front of the giants, and had a shot up before they even realized it. When he makes those, it forces the bigs to step out some, which makes it easier for him to get around them and take it to the rim.

    It's no secret that the Big 3 are aging. I think Tim and Tony could do a lot to step up their games (at least their effectiveness) by bringing back that 15-foot bank shot, and Tony's teardrop. Sounds simple to me. Maybe they're just too hard to shoot at this point in their careers.
    Tony was going to his patented teardrop early in the year, but the results were demoralizing!

    Also, your memory is much better than mine. I didn't realize it had been several seasons since we have seen much of the bank shot.

    (Personal aside: back in the peach basket days when I played, coaches insisted we learn that bank shot. Conversely, if we had tried some fundamentally unsound teardrop, we would have been riding the pines immediately! )
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    Helicopter Jones.

    I'm old.

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    Helicopter Jones.

    I'm old.
    Man you must be really old! I don't even remember him, and I have been posting about lacing up my Converse All-Stars to play hoops!

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    Never saw that guy play, nor knew who he is, but yea, very similar game to Simmons. Very aggressive to the basket, super athletic, a terror in transition. Definitely see it. Even the athletic spin move in the lane.
    Derek Anderson was a shooter who had above average athleticism for a combo guard. Jordan Clarkson of the Lakers reminds me of Derek Anderson. Simmons is more like Antonio Daniels if we are talking about former Spurs.

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    I apologized. I meant it.

    And, for the record, I got my ass handed to me about Simmons. I thought he looked so terrible in the pre-season that he couldn't possibly make the team. Then I thought they would send him to Austin as much as they could, and maybe send him in for true garbage time when he was here. I was wrong, huh?

    I liked Derek Anderson while he was here. I can't remember the Spurs getting out in transition as much, or as effectively, as they did during the time he was on the floor. He forced the action, and forced the other teams to run a lot more, and he finished strong. Lots of cheap points, and damned exciting to watch. And it doesn't hurt that those plays keep the home town fans energized, and shut the crowd down on away games. That's what I'm seeing out of Simmons, and I'm really happy to see it. That's an extra dimension for this team, and against teams that have a great starting five, but not much of a bench, that kind of play could just wear their asses out.

    Did I mention that he's a lot better than I thought he was going to be?
    Man its all good! This is why I love Spurs Talk as a resource. When you sift through all the crap you can really find some great info. I would've never remembered or even thought to put JSimms style next Derek Anderson's. I guess Manu has just been that guy for so long that as soon as the next athletic player came along with some energy off the bench it's easy to look at him that way. Even though that's not what I was trying to convey. But hey if JSimms only turns out to be a spark off the bench throughout then Ill take it. He doesn't need to be Derek or Manu or anyone. Just be the hammer!!

    My last memory of Derek Anderson was that nasty foul against the Mavs. It was pretty much our offense down the drain. the Mavs!

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    He's from Houston so it's a given he hates the Spurs (b/c of the Rockets rivalry). Paul Pierce grew up as a Lakers fan who hated the Celtics only to play for them & beat the Lakers in the Finals. It's not like he singled out a player & called him out like Kobe's teammates.

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    He's from Houston so it's a given he hates the Spurs (b/c of the Rockets rivalry). Paul Pierce grew up as a Lakers fan who hated the Celtics only to play for them & beat the Lakers in the Finals. It's not like he singled out a player & called him out like Kobe's teammates.

    I was just gonna post something similar.


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    lol
    This guy has a troll game!

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