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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2016/01...-government-do
This weekend, armed antigovernment protesters took over a federal wildlife center in rural Oregon, saying they were willing to stay for years. The question is: What does the government do now?
The incident – the latest chapter in a longstanding conflict over federal land use in Western states that dates back to the Sagebrush Rebellion – points to an evolution in federal law enforcement's response after tragedies that resulted from similar standoffs in the 1990s, experts say. Since Waco and Ruby Ridge, law enforcement has learned to dial back its response, experts say. But, they note, Saturday’s takeover also suggests federal agencies have yet to find the “sweet spot” when it comes to dealing with armed protesters under siege.
“They clearly understand not to go in with guns ablaze,” says Richard White, a Stanford University professor of history who specializes in the American West. “I’m not sure what else they understand, though.”
In some ways, federal response to armed protests have shifted dramatically in the past two decades, experts say. In 1992, a confrontation between federal agents and Randy Weaver and his family at his home in northern Idaho ended in a shootout that resulted in the deaths of Mr. Weaver’s wife, Vicki, and 14-year-old son and Deputy US Marshal William Francis Degan.
A year later, federal and state law enforcement agents laid siege to and then raided a compound in Waco, Texas, that belonged to the Branch Davidians, a religious group suspected of weapons violations. Nearly 80 people died in the ensuing gun battle.
In both cases, “there was an unwillingness to understand who the people were inside the building and what their concerns were,” says Catherine McNicol Stock, a historian and director of the American Studies program at Connecticut College in New London, Conn. “The idea is, if [law enforcement agents] had approached [these groups] taking their religious beliefs seriously, they might have been able to do something that wouldn’t have been the tragedy that happened.”
By contrast, not a single shot was fired during the standoff in 2014 between the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Cliven Bundy, who had refused to pay $1 million in grazing fees or recognize the government’s authority over the land, Reuters reported at the time. Instead – citing public safety, the BLM suspended its siege of Mr. Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, about 80 miles north of Las Vegas, and returned some of the animals already seized.
“The heavy-handed kind of actions that were at Ruby Ridge and Waco back in the '90s, people digging in their heels – that’s what you want to try to defuse,” says David Schanzer, director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security at Duke University in North Carolina. “Taking the low-key approach, preventing more people from joining this protest is the way to go.”
Yet while any response that avoids bloodshed is commendable – and many praised the BLM for its restraint during the Bundy incident – steps must also be taken to prevent such incidents from taking place again, Professor Schanzer and others say.
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OP is a got.
What's the crux of the issue here? I've read headlines on this , but every one that I've began to read either didn't delve into the cause of the protesters or was from a sketchy partisan source (HP, Yahoo) that I won't waste my time reading. Can someone explain in summary what this is about (just the facts) an/or give me a trustworthy link?
Sorry. I live in Oregon and haven't seen squat on it.
They ed up when they backed down to that got Bundy.
It isn't any more newsworthy than this I bet:
http://koin.com/2014/07/14/squatter-...portland-home/
set up perimeter, nobody, nothing, in or out, starve them, make eat snow. real peaceful like.
lol Y'all Qaeda isn't food independent?
All those wasted Patriot Supply radio spots....
I heard one of Cliven's sons on NPR. These assholes are so simplistic, so deluded, totally lost in their own airy fairy bull .
says the keyboard commando who accomplishes absolutely nothing online 24/7
This has got a great deal of possibility on the hilarity scale.
Im gonna set up a check point next to one tree in a drainage ditch. On county land dammit...
Day of the rope is approaching, as a famous man once said.
I know I'm hunkering down...
Here's an easy guide: http://www.theprepperjournal.com/201...t-of-supplies/
Don't kill/murder them to start with.
No! They're not black, brown, or Muslim.
It's freezing ass cold in that part or Oregon this time of year. Cut off the electricity and stop paying any attention to him as he wants the media attention. Sit back in the local town in a warm building, and let them freeze there asses off. Collect the dead frozen bodies later.Oregon militia standoff: What should government do?
Or...
Wait outside in warm vans, not allowing them to hunt for food or get water. They will come out at some point.
Here is where they of on Google maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma...367dfd!6m1!1e1
Weather forecast:
http://www.usairnet.com/weather/fore...arrows,oregon/
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 01-05-2016 at 12:16 PM.
Pretty much what everyone else said. Surround them, cut off water, electricity, etc. Wait until they give up
Biggest thing, don't play into the media about this. that's what they realy want. Attention.
21F tonight, I expect the really want heat.
LOL...
The forecast I linked has a low of 12F coming up Sunday. Isn't that something like -11 C?
Any decent sleeping bag is comfortable at 21F.
Yes, but in the cold, 24/7, and not getting the attention they want?
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