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On a serious note, none of you thought all of this was political?
When do y'all have to turn in your guns?
On a serious note, none of you thought all of this was political?
Nothing but politics.
He wanted to compare us to other industrial countries. I asked him to find another industrial country with a certain demographic comprising only 8% of the population commuting 50% of the murders....comprehend much?
Listen bro you're not smarter than me..... I saw what He typed and I read your response.....if you question comprehension perhaps you should start with a well thought out and clear request....don't ask a question in your mind and fail to commit it to "ink" we don't read minds....
Capish ?
There has always been gun control dating back to.the colonial days. Don't know why people are bleeding out the rectum about it now. Only crazy mother s make this issue about "taking their guns away"
lol, we should let John Doe have nuclear weapons because they have never killed any body. They are well behaved. Besides, no one is trying to take your guns away.
Guns are all we got.
You read what he typed, read what I typed, and then came to the conclusion I'm fearful of other races?
So, if something happens to my husband, I'm gonna have to become a licensed gun dealer to sell all these guns in my closet? Or only sell one per year? LOL - this is dumb.
Barry talked about the gun lobby, but he should have mentioned the Repug s who have been corrupted by the gun lobby.
Democrats didn't do about new gun regulations when they controlled the House, Senate, and the Presidency because they KNEW the majority of the voters wouldn't support them. You honestly think it's only Republicans that care about gun rights?
I've had guns my entire adult life, and I'm not against reasonable gun control, and no normal person would think that people should have bazookas, nukes, and any other military stuff. And I don't think anyone is trying to take my guns away either, at least yet.
I just don't like being lumped into the "guns kill", "gun owners are psychos" thing.
do you anything to stand up to the gun psychos and gun terrorists? ia there any organization of "non pscyho" gun owners? that would find their s stiff enough to stand up to NRA/GOA/etc/gun-industry?
There was, however, one missing element in the Republican’s pushback.
At no point yesterday did any Republican candidates or lawmakers point to anything specific in the president’s policy that they found objectionable. Not one measure, not one idea, not one initiative, not one paragraph, nothing.
Marco Rubio said Obama’s approach “undermines” the Second Amendment, but he didn’t (and couldn’t) say how.
Carly Fiorina said the president’s incremental changes to implementing current law are “lawless,” but she offered nothing in the way of substantiation.
This isn’t just about pointing and laughing at the inanity of criticisms so painfully foolish that Republican voters ought to feel insulted. It’s not even about the degree to which yesterday helped prove why policy debates are effectively impossible in D.C. right now.
Rather, the broader point here is that Republicans have abandoned the pretense of seriousness.
The dirty little secret, which went largely unmentioned yesterday, is that GOP officials simply couldn’t find any specific problems with the White House’s plan, so they screamed bloody murder just for the sake of doing so.
The lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association, for crying out loud, was willing to say on the record in reference to Obama and his team, “They’re not really doing anything.” Republicans understood this, but they had to break with the NRA, go through the motions, and throw a tantrum anyway, because in their minds, that’s what the political cir stances require.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...d=sm_fb_maddow
Repugs and Repug voters
So, any specific problems with the proposal? I've seen reactions that it's just political pandering that won't amount to any reasonable change but it's also a gross infringement of the Second Amendment.
So which is it?
Obama Continues to Stubbornly Link Gun Violence with Gun
WASHINGTON — Republican Presidential candidates ripped President Obama on Tuesday for what they called his stubborn insistence on linking gun violence with guns.
In campaign stops across Iowa and New Hampshire, the G.O.P. hopefuls pounded the President for irrationally concluding that guns have played a role in the nation’s epidemic of mass shootings.
“How any reasonable person could look at gun violence and say that guns are involved is beyond me,” said Texas Senator Ted Cruz. “And yet, somehow, President Obama always finds a way.”
“I would very much like to have a conversation about gun violence, as President Obama has said he wants to have,” said Florida Senator Marco Rubio. “But as long as he keeps falling back on this tired, unproven connection between gun violence and guns, there’s just no point.”
The former Hewlett-Packard C.E.O. Carly Fiorina said that Obama’s persistent linking of gun violence with guns was “sad but not surprising, from a man who believes that people’s health can be improved by access to health care.”
“He isn’t thinking straight,” she said.
Of all the candidates, though, the retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was perhaps the most scathing in his assessment of the President’s remarks. “Even if every gun in the world suddenly disappeared, there would still be gun violence,” he said.
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-continues-to-stubbornly-link-gun-violence-with-guns?mbid=nl_010616%20Borowitz%20Newsletter%20(1)& CNDID=16733151&spMailingID=8405432&spUserID=MjczNz c0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=840621955&spReportId=ODQwNjIxO TU1S0
background checks, sellers to be licensed don't infringe even the sicko gun fellators' perverted 2nd Amendment.
The problem with the proposal is it doesn't do anything to reduce gun violence. The "loopholes" they reference closing are insignificant and some just plain false. Most of the things proposed are already laws on the books, and there was a small change to trusts and NFA items.
off Boo.
You know those aren't real quotes.
Why don't you quit being such a pussy and link your unfunny "humor" site in the same font as your quote?
America's mass shooting capital isn't somewhere out west where you can get a gun at the corner store. It's in Obama's own hometown.
Chicago is America's mass shooting capital. There were over 400 shootings with more than one victim. In 95 of those shootings, 3 or more people were shot.
2,995 people were shot in Chicago last year. Shootings were up, way up, in Baltimore. With an assist from Al Sharpton and #BlackLivesMatter, Baltimore beat out Detroit. But Detroit is still in the running. Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit all have something in common, they're all run by the party of gun control which somehow can't seem to manage to control the criminals who have the guns.
The murder rate in Washington, D.C., home of the progressive boys and girls who can solve it all, is up 54%. The capital of the national bureaucracy has also been the country's murder capital.
These cities are the heartland of America’s real gun culture. It isn’t the bitter gun-and-bible clingers in McCain and Romney territory who are racking up a more horrifying annual kill rate than Al Qaeda; it’s Obama’s own voting base.
Gun violence is at its worst in the cities that Obama won in 2012. Places like New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham, St. Louis, Kansas City and Philly. The Democrats are blaming Republicans for the crimes of their own voters.
Chicago, where Obama delivered his victory speech, has homicide numbers that match all of Japan and are higher than Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the number of murders for the entire country of Canada.
Chicago’s murder rate of 15.09 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago’s murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war.
But Chicago isn’t even all that unique. Or the worst case scenario. That would be St. Louis with 50 murders for 100,000 people. If St Louis were a country, it would have the 4th highest murder rate in the world, beating out Jamaica, El Salvador and Rwanda.
Obama won St. Louis 82 to 16 percent.
New Orleans lags behind with a 39.6 murder rate. Louisiana went red for Romney 58 to 40, but Orleans Parish went blue for Obama 80 to 17. Obama won both St. Louis and Baltimore by comfortable margins. He won Detroit’s Wayne County 73 to 26.
Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isn’t broken among Republican voters rushing to stock up on rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; it’s broken among Obama’s base.
Any serious conversation about gun violence and gun culture has to begin at home; in Chicago, in Baltimore, in New York City, in Los Angeles and in Washington, D.C.
Voting for Obama does not make people innately homicidal. Just look at Seattle. So what is happening in Chicago to drive it to the gates of ?
A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago in one year had criminal records. In Philly, it’s 75%. In Milwaukee it’s 77% percent. In New Orleans, it’s 64%. In Baltimore, it’s 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.
Chicago’s problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico. And Democrats pander to those gangs because it helps them get elected. That's why Federal gun prosecutions in Chicago dropped sharply under Obama. It's why he has set free drug dealers and gang members to deal and kill while convening town halls on gun violence.
America’s murder rate isn’t the work of the suburban and rural homeowners who shop for guns at sporting goods stores and at gun shows, and whom the media profiles after every shooting, but by the gangs embedded in urban areas controlled by Democrats. The gangs who drive up America’s murder rate look nothing like the occasional mentally ill suburban white kid who goes off his medication and decides to shoot up a school. Lanza, like most serial killers, is a media aberration, not the norm.
National murder statistics show that blacks are far more likely to be killers than whites and they are also far more likely to be killed. The single largest cause of homicides is the argument. 4th on the list is juvenile gang activity with 676 murders, which combined with various flavors of gangland killings takes us nearly to the 1,000 mark. America has more gangland murders than Sierra Leone, Eritrea and Puerto Rico have murders.
Our national murder rate is not some incomprehensible mystery that can only be attributed to the inanimate tools, the steel, brass and wood that do the work. It is largely the work of adult males from age 18 to 39 with criminal records killing other males of that same age and criminal past.
If this were going on in Rwanda, El Salvador or Sierra Leone, we would have no trouble knowing what to make of it, and silly pearl-clutching nonsense about gun control would never even come up. But this is Chicago, it’s Baltimore, it’s Philly and NOLA; and so we refuse to see that our major cities are in the same boat as some of the worst trouble spots in the world.
Lanza and Newtown are comforting aberrations. They allow us to take refuge in the fantasy that homicides in America are the work of the occasional serial killer practicing his dark art in one of those perfect small towns that always show up in murder mysteries or Stephen King novels. They fool us into thinking that there is something American about our murder rate that can be traced to hunting season, patriotism and bad mothers.
But go to Chicago or Baltimore. Go where the killings really happen and the illusion comes apart.
There is a war going on in America between gangs of young men who bear an uncanny resemblance to their counterparts in Sierra Leone or El Salvador. They live like them, they fight for control of the streets like them and they kill like them.
America’s horrific murder rate is a result of the transformation of major American cities into Sierra Leone, Somalia, Rwanda and El Salvador. Gun violence largely consists of criminals killing criminals.
As David Kennedy, the head of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control, put it, "The majority of homicide victims have extensive criminal histories. This is simply the way that the world of criminal homicide works. It's a fact.”
America is, on a county by county basis, not a violent country, just as it, on a county by county basis, did not vote for Obama. It is being dragged down by broken cities full of broken families whose mayors would like to trash the Bill of Rights for the entire country in the vain hope that national gun control will save their cities, even though gun control is likely to be as much help to Chicago or New Orleans as the War on Drugs.
Obama’s pretense that there needs to be a national conversation about rural American gun owners is a dishonest and cynical ploy that distracts attention from the real problem that he and politicians like him have sat on for generations.
America does not have a gun problem. Its problem is in the broken culture of cities administered by Democrats. We do not need to have a conversation about gun violence. We need to have a conversation about Chicago. We need to have a conversation about what the Democrats have done to our cities.
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Probably with your "thoughts and prayers"
You sound like me. I too am a gun owner not against reasonable gun control but because I verbalize that I am lumped into the "wants to ban guns psycho" thing. I think all reasonable people realize that the solution is somewhere between those 2 extremes, but the extremes yell the loudest as evidenced in this forum.
Aside from the asinine notion that this is, somehow a governance issue (Its not), there are some decent points made here.
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