Obama's executive actions on gun control

[CosmicCowboy]

Aside from the asinine notion that this is, somehow a governance issue (Its not), there are some decent points made here.

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[TheSanityAnnex]

We need to blame Democrats for everything!

excellent rebuttal

[TheSanityAnnex]

You sound like me. I too am a gun owner not against reasonable gun control but because I verbalize that I am lumped into the "wants to ban guns psycho" thing. I think all reasonable people realize that the solution is somewhere between those 2 extremes, but the extremes yell the loudest as evidenced in this forum.

I don't think I've ever seen a single gun owner in here oppose background checks.

[mrsmaalox]

I don't think I've ever seen a single gun owner in here oppose background checks.

Then why all the butthurt about this?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Then why all the butthurt about this?

Where's this butthurt you speak of? It sure isn't in this thread.

[mrsmaalox]

Where's this butthurt you speak of? It sure isn't in this thread.

Well if all gun owners are fine with background measures I'd think this thread would invite them to stumble in, shrug, mumble "cool" and be on their way. But from the first post it was clearly just an invitation to ridicule and snark and nitpick. That kinda seems like butthurt to me.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Well if all gun owners are fine with background measures I'd think this thread would invite them to stumble in, shrug, mumble "cool" and be on their way. But from the first post it was clearly just an invitation to ridicule and snark and nitpick. That kinda seems like butthurt to me.

You have an odd definition of butthurt. This administration worked on this years and basically did nothing to curb gun violence, it was pretty pathetic.

[mrsmaalox]

You have an odd definition of butthurt. This administration worked on this years and basically did nothing to curb gun violence, it was pretty pathetic.

You are absolutely sure not a single innocent life will be saved by this? That not one weapon will be kept out of a criminals hands?

[boutons_deux]

off Boo.

You know those aren't real quotes.

Why don't you quit being such a pussy and link your unfunny "humor" site in the same font as your quote?

CC, so butthurt.

[boutons_deux]

You have an odd definition of butthurt. This administration worked on this years and basically did nothing to curb gun violence, it was pretty pathetic.

it "does nothing"? so why are Repug assholes calling it unCons utional, lawless, etc, etc? and they plan to block even this "nothing" by defunding, etc, etc.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You are absolutely sure not a single innocent life will be saved by this? That not one weapon will be kept out of a criminals hands?

I'm sure it will save a single innocent life. Hearing Obama say that yesterday did make me chuckle. If he was so concerned with just a single life I don't see how he's fine risking another single life by bringing in Syrian refugees that will most surely slip in at least one terrorist.

[boutons_deux]

A Supermajority of Likely 2016 Voters Support Obama’s Executive Actions on Guns

A supermajority of voters – 73 percent – support “an executive action by President Obama that would require anyone who sells a large number of guns per year to become a licensed gun dealer and require background checks on all of their gun sales, including those sold online or at gun shows,”

with a 53-percent majority saying they strongly support such action

and only 25 percent opposing it.

A majority of Republicans support an executive action on background checks.

Despite their disagreement with the President on other policy issues, a 56 percent majority of self-ascribed Republicans support a potential executive action.

Nearly two-thirds of gun owners also support a potential executive action.

Sixty-four percent of gun owners and 56 percent of voters who are favorably disposed toward the National Rifle Association also support a potential executive action.

Support among key groups like independents in presidential battleground states is high.

As noted above, 70 percent of voters in the presidential battleground support a potential executive action,

including 68 percent of independent voters,

76 percent of independent women,

77 percent of non-college women and

72 percent of mothers.

Among young voters support jumps to 90 percent.

Support for potential executive action reflects the national consensus on the need for stronger gun laws.

A 60-percent majority believes the laws covering the sale of guns should be made stronger while just 7 percent believe they should be weakened.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/...iticus+USA+%29

More proof that the Repug s vote as purchased by their NRA/BigGun donors, not as their base wishes.

[mrsmaalox]

I'm sure it will save a single innocent life. Hearing Obama say that yesterday did make me chuckle. If he was so concerned with just a single life I don't see how he's fine risking another single life by bringing in Syrian refugees that will most surely slip in at least one terrorist.

But as long as the terrorist that slips in with the refugees isn't on the No Fly list, the background checks you are so fond of could be an added preventive measure to keep them from taking any lives also. It could help in both instances, you cant deflect with the "but he's fine letting terrorists in" argument.

[TheSanityAnnex]

But as long as the terrorist that slips in with the refugees isn't on the No Fly list, the background checks you are so fond of could be an added preventive measure to keep them from taking any lives also. It could help in both instances, you cant deflect with the "but he's fine letting terrorists in" argument.

I'm a bit confused can you clarify

[mrsmaalox]

I'm a bit confused can you clarify

The same controls that keep the guns out of our criminals hands will help to keep the guns out of the hands of the terrorist who slips in with the refugees. Unless they are on the No Fly list

Edit---also, did this order fix that No Fly list thing?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The same controls that keep the guns out of our criminals hands will help to keep the guns out of the hands of the terrorist who slips in with the refugees. Unless they are on the No Fly list

Edit---also, did this order fix that No Fly list thing?

The same controls that keep the guns out of criminals hands how's that working out? Nothing addressed the no-fly list as it needs a complete overhaul and is uncons utional.

[mrsmaalox]

The same controls that keep the guns out of criminals hands how's that working out? Nothing addressed the no-fly list as it needs a complete overhaul and is uncons utional.

Duh its not, thats why these steps are being taken. And it will take many many small steps over many many years, as it took a couple of hundred years to get to where we are today. All reasonable people know that there is not one action that will solve all gun violence in one step, so ridiculing [i]any[/] action for not doing that is pretty dumb.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Duh its not, thats why these steps are being taken. And it will take many many small steps over many many years, as it took a couple of hundred years to get to where we are today. All reasonable people know that there is not one action that will solve all gun violence in one step, so ridiculing [i]any[/] action for not doing that is pretty dumb.

What steps though? Nothing is really changing if you already understand the laws that are in place. This was a move by the Democrats in an election year that accomplishes nothing of significance, except to give their base an illusion of increased safety.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think the opposition is not to the specifics, but rather falls under the "camel nose under the tent" fear. It is new regulations that will have nothing to do with stopping crime.

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, what loser for caring about the kids like those at Sandy Hook...

Where are all those crocodile tears for the kids who die as a result of his bombing campaigns in the Middle East?

He doesn't give a about those kids, he just wants to bring us another step closer to confiscation.

[Spurminator]

Where's this butthurt you speak of? It sure isn't in this thread.

NRA.com
FoxNews.com
Breitbart.com
AR15.com
Stormfront.com
GregAbbott.com

(I don't know if these are actual web addresses, but there is most certainly butthurt on the gun lobby side.)

[TheSanityAnnex]

A Supermajority of Likely 2016 Voters Support Obama’s Executive Actions on Guns

A supermajority of voters – 73 percent – support “an executive action by President Obama that would require anyone who sells a large number of guns per year to become a licensed gun dealer and require background checks on all of their gun sales, including those sold online or at gun shows,”

with a 53-percent majority saying they strongly support such action

and only 25 percent opposing it.

A majority of Republicans support an executive action on background checks.

Despite their disagreement with the President on other policy issues, a 56 percent majority of self-ascribed Republicans support a potential executive action.

Nearly two-thirds of gun owners also support a potential executive action.

Sixty-four percent of gun owners and 56 percent of voters who are favorably disposed toward the National Rifle Association also support a potential executive action.

Support among key groups like independents in presidential battleground states is high.

As noted above, 70 percent of voters in the presidential battleground support a potential executive action,

including 68 percent of independent voters,

76 percent of independent women,

77 percent of non-college women and

72 percent of mothers.

Among young voters support jumps to 90 percent.

Support for potential executive action reflects the national consensus on the need for stronger gun laws.

A 60-percent majority believes the laws covering the sale of guns should be made stronger while just 7 percent believe they should be weakened.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/...iticus+USA+%29

More proof that the Repug s vote as purchased by their NRA/BigGun donors, not as their base wishes.

http://www.cnn.com/partners/ios/pages/poll/


POLL OF THE DAY

Do you support expanded background checks for gun buyers?

• 
  Yes 41.7%
  41.7%
• 
  Not sure 2.7%
  2.7%
• 
  No 55.6%
  55.6%

113147 total votes

Not a scientific survey

CNN to host Obama town hall on guns in America

[hater]

gun fellators crying cause now they gotta show ID at gun shows

gots

[TheSanityAnnex]

gun fellators crying cause now they gotta show ID at gun shows

gots

Easy to spot those who don't read the thread and just post to post.

[mrsmaalox]

What steps though? Nothing is really changing if you already understand the laws that are in place. This was a move by the Democrats in an election year that accomplishes nothing of significance, except to give their base an illusion of increased safety.

Just the simplest things of increasing FBI staff by 50% for background checks and tightening some loopholes are a change and a step. You keep saying nothing changes. As far as the outcome, we dont really know what it will accomplish do we? I could say everything will be solved but thats as silly as saying nothing will be solved. I understand that for law abiding gun owners, nothing changes. Those are not the people changes need to be made for.