Jonathan Simmons impact reminds me of young Manu.

[hater]

I do agree. Manu did produce in his first playoffs. So did SJax btw, even more so at times.

I was mainly talking about regular season. I believe so far Simmons looks much better than Manu.

Of course things could change. Playoffs might be a different animal.

[DAF86]

I do agree. Manu did produce in his first playoffs. So did SJax btw, even more so at times.

I was mainly talking about regular season. I believe so far Simmons looks much better than Manu.

Of course things could change. Playoffs might be a different animal.

So Simmos, in the 4 or 5 games he has had of meaningul minutes this season, has already proved to be better than Manu in the 2003 reg season? mmh ok

[kaji157]

I remember Manu making a big impact against the lakers in the 03 playoffs. Manu was more decorated and seasoned, but Simmons is showing some similarities. He can hit the timely 3's. He has a super quick twitch penetration step. He dunks with ferocity and is crafty near the basket. He forces fouls with his penetration. He has an above average passing ability. Of course manu is a hall of famer and his will to win and clutchness is legendary. Anyone else get the feeling Simmons can be that secret weapon Manu was back in the day?

I don´t think so, defensively was Ginobili´s most important impact as a rookie, he ended playing in place of Bowen it that years finals against the nets as Top of the key defender.

Offensively i also don´t think so, Simmons offense relies heavily on his athleticism, Manu didn´t (that´s why his production per minute is almost the same now), also young Ginobili would play Point Guard many times because Parker had Playoff Fear, i don´t see Simmons with the timing to run a team.

Also Simmons passes seems more than Tony´s than Manu´s once he penetrates and kicks to a teammate, Manu passes were most likely from outside to inside, while Simmons is all the way around or inside-inside.

About the clutchness, maybe we´ll never now.

[picnroll]

Ideally a saner Vernon Maxwell.

[spursistan]

lettuce not get carried away, tbh

[urunobili]

He obviously is more athletic than Manu was even in his prime.

Nope. Prime Manu's athleticism was elite. At best, Simmons athleticism right now matches prime Manu. Never seen Simmons dunk on three guys neither catch roof like alley oops from Jax... mean WAY up there the way Manu did...

[GSH]

He obviously is more athletic than Manu was even in his prime.

What he doesn't have is the cat like reflexes, an outworldly sense of passing angles and the creativity.

See... we can agree on stuff. Manu had good timing, and put himself in the right position. But Simmons has springs that Manu couldn't equal. I assume that's what you mean by athletic? That's no knock on Manu - Simmons just looks like he's coming off a trampoline sometimes. He has the luxury of throwing down sometimes, when Manu would have just taken it soft off the glass.

Damn right it has an effect on the other teams. But it's probably good for him to remember that it can also piss them off. Derek Anderson's regular season in SA ended with him getting swatted out of the air in Seattle. Yeah it was dirty. But that doesn't change the fact that he had to leave the game, and was never the same after that.

[Mr Bones]

I was laughing to myself watching that Bucks games imagining opposing coaches & scouts watching Simmons and thinking, "Jesus, now there's another thing we have to worry about when we play the Spurs?"

[GSH]

I was laughing to myself watching that Bucks games imagining opposing coaches & scouts watching Simmons and thinking, "Jesus, now there's another thing we have to worry about when we play the Spurs?"

That, right there. That's why I think he'll keep getting minutes, because he brings something that nobody else on the roster brings.

The fact that he's drawing a lot of fouls says that they're finding it hard to stop him once he smells the basket. FTA's and FTA/36 (or per 100 possessions) are stats that people should pay more attention to. I think the Spurs are probably still dead last in the league in FTA's - haven't checked in a bit, but they were last. Those extra freebies add up over a game, and over a season. In the playoffs, they're priceless. The two Spurs with the highest FTA/36 are... that's right, Simmons and Boban. And Simmons has definitely played enough minutes that it isn't a statistical anomaly. He's also got one of the highest FT% on the team, so he's converting the attempts to points.

The other thing about drawing FTA's at a high rate is that, if they have to pay enough attention to a guy to keep fouling him, it means that his guy can't commit to helping anywhere else.

I know it's a pet stat of mine, but keep an eye on it. If Simmons can keep forcing defenses to foul him like this (and bring down the turnovers a little bit), he's going to make it harder and harder to keep him off the floor.

[lilbthebasedgod]

Simmons has too many defensive lapses and bad turnovers to be compared to Manu.

He said young manu. These are definitely things that young manu did too.

Not really manu level imo. He can be good. He's not dynamic like manu.

Simmons seems to have an idea of what to do before he gets the ball and just does it. Manu was a lot "crazier" of a player.

[hater]

So Simmos, in the 4 or 5 games he has had of meaningul minutes this season, has already proved to be better than Manu in the 2003 reg season? mmh ok

On a per basis. Yes. Yes he has

[DAF86]

On a per basis. Yes. Yes he has

Are you really going to make me search for the stats? You're lucky I'm on my phone right now.

[ceperez]

That, right there. That's why I think he'll keep getting minutes, because he brings something that nobody else on the roster brings.

The fact that he's drawing a lot of fouls says that they're finding it hard to stop him once he smells the basket. FTA's and FTA/36 (or per 100 possessions) are stats that people should pay more attention to. I think the Spurs are probably still dead last in the league in FTA's - haven't checked in a bit, but they were last. Those extra freebies add up over a game, and over a season. In the playoffs, they're priceless. The two Spurs with the highest FTA/36 are... that's right, Simmons and Boban. And Simmons has definitely played enough minutes that it isn't a statistical anomaly. He's also got one of the highest FT% on the team, so he's converting the attempts to points.

The other thing about drawing FTA's at a high rate is that, if they have to pay enough attention to a guy to keep fouling him, it means that his guy can't commit to helping anywhere else.

I know it's a pet stat of mine, but keep an eye on it. If Simmons can keep forcing defenses to foul him like this (and bring down the turnovers a little bit), he's going to make it harder and harder to keep him off the floor.

I do like the fact that he can get to the foul line. Dwayne Wade got to the foul line a lot, and in the process won him a championship with the Heat against the Mavs.

Very useful skill come playoff time.

[hater]

Are you really going to make me search for the stats? You're lucky I'm on my phone right now.

Manu 13pts 3.5ast 4rbs 44% 35%3pt

Simmons 16.4pts 4ast 4.7rbs 52% 41%3pt


you were saying??????

[DAF86]

Manu 13pts 3.5ast 4rbs 44% 35%3pt

Simmons 16.4pts 4ast 4.7rbs 52% 41%3pt


you were saying??????

The did you get that from? And what's that? Per 48? Of course your per 48 numbers will be inflated playing most of your minutes against scrubs in garbage time.

[hater]

per 36. same stats for both players.

uh???? Didn't Manu come off the bench vs scrubs as well? you make no damn sense

[Pocho La Pantera]

Hater being stupid as usual. Nothing new under the sun.

[DAF86]

per 36. same stats for both players.

uh???? Didn't Manu come off the bench vs scrubs as well? you make no damn sense

Not against 3rd stringers on garbage time, tbh. Besides, different playing styles and eras. Today is easier for spurs wings to get theirs.

[hater]

Still simmons is producing at a more effective rate than Manu year 1 in regular season.

Just stating the facts

[Cklbmk]

Whats being ignored is that Manu didnt know the system and had Pop pushback year 1. Simmons has been groomed for 2 years already

[hooperflash]

They play for the same team.

[spursistan]

crofl......

This dude has been sneakily falling off cliff back to his D-league status..

[TheGreatYacht]

His turnovers remind me of Manu

Still better than Green tho