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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/08...l?intcmp=hpbt1

    The man caught in surveillance footage ambushing a Philadelphia officer in a squad car, shooting him multiple times, claimed he acted "in the name of Islam," police said at a news conference Friday.

    The suspect's gun had been stolen from police in 2013, Commissioner Richard Ross said.

    The man wore "Muslim garb," a law enforcement source told Fox News. The source would not elaborate. Local media identified the suspect as 30-year-old Edward Archer.

    Officer Jessie Hartnett was in stable condition at a hospital, police said. The suspect fired a total of 13 shots Thursday night, Ross said. Three bullets struck the officer in his left arm.

    "We are working side-by-side with the Philadelphia Police Department. They remain the lead agency as we work together to gather information about the attack on their officer," the FBI announced.

    Hartnett returned fire, hitting his attacker at least three times, Ross added.

    "This is absolutely one of the scariest things I've ever seen," Ross said at a news conference a few hours later. "This guy tried to execute the police officer. The police officer had no idea he was coming."

    The suspect ran away, but was quickly apprehended by other officers. There was no immediate word on the suspect's condition.

    In a statement, Governor Tom Wolf said, "This alleged intentional act of violence against an officer seeking to help a fellow citizen is horrifying and has no place in Pennsylvania."

    Jim Kenney, who is in his first week as mayor of the nation's fifth largest city, said, "There are just too many guns on the streets and I think our national government needs to do something about that."

    His statement comes on the heels of President Barack Obama announcement on Tuesday of his plan to tighten control and enforcement of firearms in the United States

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/08...l?intcmp=hpbt1

    The man caught in surveillance footage ambushing a Philadelphia officer in a squad car, shooting him multiple times, claimed he acted "in the name of Islam," police said at a news conference Friday.

    The suspect's gun had been stolen from police in 2013, Commissioner Richard Ross said.

    The man wore "Muslim garb," a law enforcement source told Fox News. The source would not elaborate. Local media identified the suspect as 30-year-old Edward Archer.

    Officer Jessie Hartnett was in stable condition at a hospital, police said. The suspect fired a total of 13 shots Thursday night, Ross said. Three bullets struck the officer in his left arm.

    "We are working side-by-side with the Philadelphia Police Department. They remain the lead agency as we work together to gather information about the attack on their officer," the FBI announced.

    Hartnett returned fire, hitting his attacker at least three times, Ross added.

    "This is absolutely one of the scariest things I've ever seen," Ross said at a news conference a few hours later. "This guy tried to execute the police officer. The police officer had no idea he was coming."

    The suspect ran away, but was quickly apprehended by other officers. There was no immediate word on the suspect's condition.

    In a statement, Governor Tom Wolf said, "This alleged intentional act of violence against an officer seeking to help a fellow citizen is horrifying and has no place in Pennsylvania."

    Jim Kenney, who is in his first week as mayor of the nation's fifth largest city, said, "There are just too many guns on the streets and I think our national government needs to do something about that."

    His statement comes on the heels of President Barack Obama announcement on Tuesday of his plan to tighten control and enforcement of firearms in the United States
    And of course CAIR immediately says he was not a devout Muslim.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The man who shot a policeman in Philadelphia and claimed to have pledged allegiance to Islamic State militants does not appear to be a mosque-going Muslim, a senior official at the largest U.S. Muslim advocacy group said.
    "At this hour, it does not appear that he was an observant or mosque-going Muslim” in the local community, said Jacob Bender, executive director of the Philadelphia Chapter of the Council on American–Islamic Relations.
    “I’ve called numerous imams and mosques to try to see if the name rings a bell with anyone. So far it hasn’t,” he told Reuters in an interview.
    Edward Archer of Philadelphia approached Officer Jesse Hartnett, 33, shortly before midnight and fired 11 rounds, three of which hit the officer in his arm, authorities said. Philadelphia police said Archer confessed to the attack and said he had pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelp...205251507.html

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    PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — During a police press conference Friday afternoon, Mayor Jim Kenney stated that he believes the shooting of a Philadelphia police officer has “nothing to do with being a Muslim,” despite the suspect claiming he did it in the name of Islam.

    Mayor Kenney said, “In no way shape or form does anyone in this room believe that Islam or the teaching of Islam has anything to do with what you’ve seen on the screen.

    Philadelphia Police Officer Jesse Hartnett was shot several times late Thursday.

    Authorities say the suspect gave a full confession to the shooting.

    Commissioner Richard Ross said, “According to him, police bend laws that are contrary to the teachings of the Quran.”

    Mayor Kenney said of the shooting, “It is abhorrent. It is terrible and it does not represent the religion or any of its teachings.”

    He continued, “This is a criminal with a stolen gun who tried to kill one of our officers. It has nothing to do with being a Muslim or following the Islamic faith.”

    Police sources say the suspect is 30-year-old Edward Archer, of Yeadon.

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...-being-muslim/

    So this mayor knows that no one in the room believes it has nothing to do with Islam even though the suspect himself says so? No word from the White House. Televised town meeting last night on gun control, but nothing tonight on this "in the name of Islam" incident. This gun was stolen from the police and used against one of their own.
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    And of course CAIR immediately says he was not a devout Muslim.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The man who shot a policeman in Philadelphia and claimed to have pledged allegiance to Islamic State militants does not appear to be a mosque-going Muslim, a senior official at the largest U.S. Muslim advocacy group said.
    "At this hour, it does not appear that he was an observant or mosque-going Muslim” in the local community, said Jacob Bender, executive director of the Philadelphia Chapter of the Council on American–Islamic Relations.
    “I’ve called numerous imams and mosques to try to see if the name rings a bell with anyone. So far it hasn’t,” he told Reuters in an interview.
    Edward Archer of Philadelphia approached Officer Jesse Hartnett, 33, shortly before midnight and fired 11 rounds, three of which hit the officer in his arm, authorities said. Philadelphia police said Archer confessed to the attack and said he had pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelp...205251507.html
    It really depends on what you mean by devout.

    It's been studied that many of these idiots aren't in fact devout. Many of them never even practiced the Islam. They're angry outcasts with pyhschological & psychiatric problems that grow a beard, start wearing robe, adapt Islam to their violent mindset, and can only recite jahadist verses in the Koran. Is doing that really devout? Not saying there aren't devout Muslims who don't conform to terrorism, either. Just sayin' that there are in fact as is widely known plenty of them who hijack (no pun intended) Islam for political, ethnic or other personal reasons not religious ones. IOW, many times Islam is the scapegoat.

    To suggest that Islam is the basis, always, that one must be devout Muslim, is to simplify the problem in a way that shows your lack of understanding of breadth of issue.

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    Hard to believe we still have ...."Islam is actually a religion of peace, it's just a very small minority who cause the problems"....sheesh~~~~~~~

    Why do they ignore what the Koran says? How many verses there talking about violence to those dreaded non believers/infidels?

    Let's say there had never been an Islam, it had never existed. How much better off would this old world have been/be?

    This is where.."well ya know that Christianity........ ".....Christians aren't ramming themselves into buildings killing thousands, they aren't blowing themselves up (like a total moron) killing others. They aren't going around talking about a holy war a jihad.

    Allah makes things very clear, if you can't convert someone, kill them.

    Funny hearing....radical Islam. All that violence is Islam, nothing radical about it.

    Two of many.

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".



    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."





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    And of course CAIR immediately says he was not a devout Muslim.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The man who shot a policeman in Philadelphia and claimed to have pledged allegiance to Islamic State militants does not appear to be a mosque-going Muslim, a senior official at the largest U.S. Muslim advocacy group said.
    "At this hour, it does not appear that he was an observant or mosque-going Muslim” in the local community, said Jacob Bender, executive director of the Philadelphia Chapter of the Council on American–Islamic Relations.
    “I’ve called numerous imams and mosques to try to see if the name rings a bell with anyone. So far it hasn’t,” he told Reuters in an interview.
    Edward Archer of Philadelphia approached Officer Jesse Hartnett, 33, shortly before midnight and fired 11 rounds, three of which hit the officer in his arm, authorities said. Philadelphia police said Archer confessed to the attack and said he had pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelp...205251507.html
    I guess it says something that they cannot now deny that it's Islam as the suspect actually names it. The conversation's gone on to whether he is DEVOUT or not. More like these mosques don't want to be the subject of scrutiny/surveillance.

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    Why haven't the concentration camps been set up yet?

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    I guess it says something that they cannot now deny that it's Islam as the suspect actually names it.
    bull . Like Christians perverting Christ's message of love and forgiveness to persecute, discriminate against, exclude, even murder people that they judge as non-Christian, terrorists use Muslim religion to commit crimes.

    haven't you seen pranksters cover a Bible in a Koran cover, read horrible stuff from it to people on the street, who then condemn the "Koran" as a religion of hate and violence?

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    More like these mosques don't want to be the subject of scrutiny/surveillance.
    should they be?

    why or why not?

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    it would be a radical departure from normative justice in the USA to cast su ion collectively based on the creed of individuals. does the risk warrant the radical change?

    can you think of any cases where this might backfire? say a Christian committed a notorious crime in the name of God -- would it be ok in that case to keep his whole church under surveillance?

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    it would be a radical departure from normative justice in the USA to cast su ion collectively based on the creed of individuals. does the risk warrant the radical change?

    can you think of any cases where this might backfire? say a Christian committed a notorious crime in the name of God -- would it be ok in that case to keep his whole church under surveillance?
    If a devout christian blew up an abortion clinic in the name of god I would have no problem with the FBI checking out his religious associates for similar inclinations.

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    If a devout christian blew up an abortion clinic in the name of god I would have no problem with the FBI checking out his religious associates for similar inclinations.
    And then there is your actual response to the recent PP shooter which belies your narrative, fattie.

    You realize at this point no one can take you at your word. Don't you have another brother to rat out or something?

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    If a devout christian blew up an abortion clinic in the name of god I would have no problem with the FBI checking out his religious associates for similar inclinations.
    This. religion getting a special status that we have to tiptoe around.

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    And then there is your actual response to the recent PP shooter which belies your narrative, fattie.

    You realize at this point no one can take you at your word. Don't you have another brother to rat out or something?
    What the are you talking about, head?

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    If a devout christian blew up an abortion clinic in the name of god I would have no problem with the FBI checking out his religious associates for similar inclinations.
    well, I would.

    4th Amendment, due process of law, mean anything to you?

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    you investigate the criminal and follow the trail of crumbs wherever it leads.

    putting a whole church or a whole community under investigation is about as anti-American as it gets.

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    it's like terrorism turned everyone into cowards and idiots who willingly beg for safety at the feet of state power, instead of preserving the liberty they still have. it's a shame.

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    as anti-American as it gets.
    most of what is "American" is bull , pure self-congratulating, self-aggrandizing myth

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    like the 4th Amendment and due process of law?

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    it's more than an ideological veneer -- it has real consequences for real people whether or not it's respected.

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    This. religion getting a special status that we have to tiptoe around.
    Would you be interested in amending the first amendment and changing the word 'religion' to 'thought?'

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    it's more than an ideological veneer -- it has real consequences for real people whether or not it's respected.
    Sure, and the policy change would have to be cons utional. The church should be allowed to exist. It should not be protected. It's at the root of corporate power and I mean corporate in the corporeal sense.

    You've always struck me as having an egalitarian streak. Less corporate more individual does that.

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    The church should be allowed to exist. It should not be protected. It's at the root of corporate power and I mean corporate in the corporeal sense.
    I don't quite follow. Are you talking about the tax exempt status of religions?

    the legal history of corporations?

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    you investigate the criminal and follow the trail of crumbs wherever it leads.

    putting a whole church or a whole community under investigation is about as anti-American as it gets.
    I said religious associates, not religious organizations.

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    if the shooter was a member of a Militia wouldn't you support the investigation of his militia associates?

    considering your position on religion I would think that for philosophical consistency you would consider a militia=catholic=rotaryclub=muslim

    a group of people with similar beliefs whether right or wrong.
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