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Side note: I want me some Wing Stop now.
OP is trash just like Parker.
Side note: I want me some Wing Stop now.
Save that for the klown krew threads.
Thanks midnightpulp for this analysis. TP played a great game down the stretch and might have felt like he had the hot hand when he went for that shot. I'm guessing it will make the film session. As Manu said Affallo made a 3 off a lucky 'bounce' or we probably don't come down to the last second to get the win. I thought it probably did them good before going off on this b2b. Good win!
OP, thank you for raising the bar. Thoughtful analysis backed up with more than just your opinion or weak verbal jabs.
I think Parker answered that question quite honestly (props to the journalist who asked), he just got excited when Portzingis jumped at him after making a few buckets...
Just a stupid decision, it happens.
The "silver lining" is that he was probably relieved that the Spurs didn't lose because of this mistake and will surely learn the lesson.
It's been a long time they didn't have a close game, DWest acknowledged that they need to work on late game execution but didn't have a lot of opportunities...
The short bus is in a traffic jam all of a sudden.
One of the best ST minds doing best ST minds things. Great analysis.
Thanks Pauleta14 for the comment TP made, I didn't catch that. It's exactly what it looks like a 'heat of the moment' shot that ended up being a mistake. This game is played at lightning speed and mistakes get made.
Wow op you completely twisted my words. Teams arent gameplanning or scheming against it, they are gameplanning to make it the spurs gameplan. Its entirely two different things. I appreciate the effort but this is nothing but a play by play analysis of said particular plays.
Of course you dont want your PG to completly be reduced to a ball watcher and pf course PnR with him result in him getting looks but the issue in hand here is how the teams generate looks. Hes not.going to command double teams and as evident he had lopez twice on him because frankly they would rather have him try to win games.
Every gameplan is going generate looks. The issue in hand is that parker being the Focal is not how you would want the team to generate looks because he has the tendency to heroball as evident with the last poosession.
His pass to kawhi was a desperation pass.
Parker is basically one of the very few players alongside rose and kobe who have roles that is completly not alinged with their current abilities.
Of course the.
OP, thank you for raising the bar. Thoughtful analysis backed up with more than just your opinion or weak verbal jabs.
You said in the other thread that opposing teams haven't been helping off their man to defend Parker in PnR sets, which usually results in an open jumper that teams have no problem giving Parker because of his supposedly average mid-range percentage. Your words:
That sounds like a scheme to me. I also didn't see this in the 4th Quarter of the Knicks game. The PnR was generating the looks the Spurs wanted. Also, point guards usually don't command double teams. They have a similar effect by forcing defense to collapse off their penetration, which Parker was doing.By physically disallowing movement outside, teams have forced the spurs to rely on Parker to take manority of the shots late in the fourth. Its a pretty daring move. They are basically taking away the threat of Green-Ginobili-Leonard or whoever is the other big not screening and force san antonio to win games with a 34 year old.
Granted, this is the only game I carefully looked at in regard to the PnR. Since NY's frontline is oversized and relatively slow, the PnR will naturally be more effective against them than a team like Golden State, Houston, or even the Clippers who have speedier bigs.
Also not sure how that pass to Kawhi was "desperation." That has been a Spur bread-and-butter play since Bowen used to spot up in that corner. That play is even deadlier now since Kawhi is obviously on a different level offensively than Bowen.
Re: Parker's abilities. He's looked pretty good on drives this year, and he's shooting 57% from 16 and out. His abilities (thus far) are actually perfectly in line with his role at running the PnR. Concerns are always his health, since minor injuries greatly reduce his effectiveness.
We'll continue to evaluate as the season goes on. I'll bump this thread with more screen caps and analysis (I might take a look at the Houston loss again and see how we executed). The Knicks, admittedly, weren't the best opponent in this regard because it's easy to shred their big frontline with the PnR.
This is complete foolishness.
Good post, very informative
thanks for sharing.
Can't believe why it's so hard for Parker to pass the ball to Kawhi in the post, or recognize his favorable matchups.This play was also irritating. Kawhi had a clear pinch, and Parker refused to pass (in Parker's limited defense, when you see a giant like Lopez in front of you, that pass isn't as easy to make as it looks from our POV. Still, Parker could've ball faked and then hit Kawhi or something).
In that game, Kawhi was guarded by Calderon at least in three possessions, and just in one he could get the ball.
The same in the 3rd quarter in Houston with Harden guarding him...and Beal...and Sessions...and Neto...
Five seasons and Parker can't recognize Kawhi advantage over small defenders...It's unbelievable that the Spurs film-game sessions don't show what Parker has done in those matchups.
Fortunately for the Spurs, Parker is still good at driving to the hoop, but he has not improved his court vision. In some situations, having a tough matchup, a night off, whatever, the team needs more playmaker skills from him, and certainly he's an initiator, not a facilitator on offense.
I don't think it's selfishness. Parker has always had suspect court vision. Lopez probably had him spooked too much to try a pass. That said, I don't think Parker has been particularly "selfish" this season. Like I've stated all year, he's the least of our worries right now (he'll be a big worry if he gets banged up, though).
When he's off or have a tough matchup, he should be able to facilitate Kawhi/LMA offense.
This season we have watched nice pick and rolls/pops between LMA and him, but if he can't take advantage of Kawhi's mismatches, that's a real issue for the team.
Now some clutch time analysis of the Houston game. I capped pretty much all key possessions that featured Parker and/or Kawhi.
Good result from the PnR here. Duncan got a mismatch in the post against Harden. There's also an option to kick it over to Kawhi for a corner 3 or drive.
Off an LMA PnR. Parker took a banana route through the lane, drew a crowd, and generated an open look for LMA at the top of the key (LMA's sweet spot). Unfortunately, the pass was broken up. But defenses will make plays. Can't be results oriented.
It's not all good. Here's a ty PnR play. I hate when the Spurs start a PnR on one side the floor. Spacing is always bad, and it usually forces hot potato between Parker and his picker. The last play of the game in which Parker hoisted a jumper over Porz started in a similar way (Parker did a get a driving lane that he didn't take in that scenario, but I don't see these strong side PnR plays generating much in the long run. Don't know why Pop/Parker/Whoever continues to call them). Maybe Leonard missed his assignment and didn't flash up to the top of the 3 point line? Looks like he would've had an open shot. Not sure. This play makes no sense to me.
An "okay play." Clear out iso that gets Parker against Terry. Don't really like it against the Rockets with Dwight patrolling the paint. Resulted in a missed floater. Play should be used sparingly. One of those plays that kills "flow."
Great play here. This is what Kawhi fans want to see more of in this offense. Parker hit Kawhi early in the shot clock behind the 3 point line, so this set was obviously intended to be ran by Kawhi. It was a basic PnR between Duncan and Kawhi. Kawhi drew a trap, made a nice bounce pass to Duncan who walked it in for a layup. I want to see more of this between Kawhi and LMA, as well. And as I said in the other thread, if the Kawhi adds this to his game, the Spurs will have the luxury of 2 perimeter starters being able to run the offense, making the offense that much less predictable. I think Pop knows this, which is why we've been seeing Kawhi take a more active role in setting up plays lately.
I think this play was supposed to have Kawhi drive on Ariza. Parker hit him quick and Kawhi had Ariza in isolation with a driving lane (Howard wasn't in the paint yet). Inexplicably, Kawhi dribbled back to the left and passed it to Duncan in a tough spot. Nothing resulted here. Kawhi can be indecisive in these scenarios at times and starts to overdribble, which why I think the Spurs are slowly working him into more iso-set rather than just force-feeding him.
PnR between Duncan and Parker. Resulted in a wide open 15 footer that rimmed out. Again, I don't want to see these jumpers overused, but they do (Parker as a jumpshot threat) need to be established.
Good play here that got Kawhi a wide open 3 point look. Problem is, he didn't take it and opted for a pump fake/drive that resulted in nothing.
Parker wasn't a detriment (with his decision making. He didn't finish some wide open shots he should've, though) in crunch time in this game, either. Most of the bad plays (that I didn't cap) usually featured Green getting the ball early in the clock and then doing nothing with it.
Going forward, I'd like to see more Kawhi in the PnR, preferably with LMA. Having Parker and Kawhi (and Manu) all being able to generate offense off the PnR would be a huge boon to this offense, especially in crunch time.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 01-10-2016 at 01:54 AM.
^^^great takes bro. Even if people don't agree they should appreciate the effort
Good play here that got Kawhi a wide open 3 point look. Problem is, he didn't take it and opted for a pump fake/drive that resulted in nothing.
Good play here that got Kawhi a wide open 3 point look. Problem is, he didn't take it and opted for a pump fake/drive that resulted in nothing.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Hoops has so many ing bad takes he retired so people could forget them.
Good "ignore" by Tony there. That would've been a tough cross court pass. As we see, the Spurs got a double switch off the play.Good play here that got Kawhi a wide open 3 point look. Problem is, he didn't take it and opted for a pump fake/drive that resulted in nothing.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Much higher percentage situation than cross courting a pass to Kawhi. I also think Kawhi was doing some decoying there, as well. See how he drew Galloway out of the paint. He probably didn't expect the ball.
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