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    I don't quite follow. Are you talking about the tax exempt status of religions?

    the legal history of corporations?
    both if you get right down to it. I'm speaking more of the root cause.

    it goes back to charlemagne and the reconquista. Norman church policy of stacking bishops and parish leaders. The Crusades and Divine Right. Richelieu and France.

    It goes along with state agents giving themselves extra rights in LEOBOR. As well as the corporate tax and liability structure which is essentially a giveaway with no sense of checks, balance, or ethics. The Church was the first corporate en y and it has the most protections of all. The first amendment starts with it in our tradition.

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    I said religious associates, not religious organizations.
    a group of associates is an organization. Heard of an association? That is the root.

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    a group of associates is an organization. Heard of an association? That is the root.
    if he doesn't know someone else that is in the same organization they are not an associate.
    You sure take some stupid positions just to argue.

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    if the shooter was a member of a Militia wouldn't you support the investigation of his militia associates?
    nope.

    absent particularized cause to do so, would be uncons utional. .

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    if he doesn't know someone else that is in the same organization they are not an associate.
    You sure take some stupid positions just to argue.
    you said religious associates. you went out of your way to point out how you said it in those terms. Now you are changing your stance. You have no point which is not unusual. You often get sidetracked like an animal.

    You just don't understand notions of mutual exclusivity and how things can be more than one thing at once.

    A group of associates is an association. Examples would be like the NBAssociation and the national association of realtors.

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    motion picture association of america

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    ergot is an organization

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    it's like terrorism turned everyone into cowards and idiots who willingly beg for safety at the feet of state power, instead of preserving the liberty they still have. it's a shame.
    This. This. This. A million times, this. I'm frequently stunned at the number of "cons utionalists" who are perfectly willing to cede cons utional liberty back to government at the first hint of danger.

    Besides, "safety" at the feet of state power is very nearly illusory, given that even enhanced state surveillance and erosion of other 4th Amendment protections has not completely eliminated the dangers posed by those bent on crime and/or terror.
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    Fuzzy, you sure like to take stupid positions just for the sake of argument.

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    Fuzzy, you sure like to take stupid positions just for the sake of argument.
    I said you have no point and your fixation continues to outline this. I think I also said you got distracted like an animal quite often if you recall. You're doing this now.

    I still think they should change the word religion to thought in the first amendment.

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    I said a persons associates in an organization are exclusive of other people in an organization he doesn't associate with.

    You stupidly chose to argue my position just to argue.

    You really are a dumb argumentive prick that amazingly thinks he is intelligent. Sad, really.

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    I said a persons associates in an organization are exclusive of other people in an organization he doesn't associate with.

    You stupidly chose to argue my position just to argue.

    You really are a dumb argumentive prick that amazingly thinks he is intelligent. Sad, really.
    Intelligent in the general sense? Nah. I prefer to work on a case by case basis. What you are picking up is that I think I am smarter than you and how I have no respect for you. For someone with as much hubris as you, we are naturally at odds, fattie.

    And I pointed out to you that you had issues with the nature of things and concepts. I would say that it depends on the association. By your standard, an American who pledges him or herself to a corporation of armed insurrection like AQ should be free to do so. An armed minority should never be able to dictate policy by force particularly when they received a fair trial and are completely on the wrong side of fairly made laws.

    John Adams inspires me to this view I feel.

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    This. This. This. A million times, this. I'm frequently stunned at the number of "cons utionalists" who are perfectly willing to cede cons utional liberty back to government at the first hint of danger.

    Besides, "safety" at the feet of state power is very nearly illusory, given that even enhanced state surveillance and erosion of other 4th Amendment protections has not completely eliminated the dangers posed by those bent on crime and/or terror.
    not only is the safety illusory, counter-terrorism as presently cons uted is the bigger danger to citizens. the liberty ceded does not magically reappear once the danger -- or the hysteria -- has passed.

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    Damn Fuzzy... Chump builds straw men. You build straw ing armies...

    pathetic

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    Wow. Chump builds straw men. You build straw ing armies...:LOL

    pathetic
    So you feel you have no hubris? You don't realize that I think I am smarter than you and don't respect you? You don't see us as being at odds?

    It's things like this that make me think you are little more than animal. I guess you're angry and aren't filtering at all, fattie.

    After that I gave my opinion on the matter given your current framing of your argument. What do you talk about? Raging at me. Nice. That illustrates what I was talking about regarding fixation from before. Can you compare and contrast?

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    So you feel you have no hubris? You don't realize that I think I am smarter than you and don't respect you? You don't see us as being at odds?

    It's things like this that make me think you are little more than animal. I guess you're angry and aren't filtering at all, fattie.

    After that I gave my opinion on the matter given your current framing of your argument. What do you talk about? Raging at me. Nice. That illustrates what I was talking about regarding fixation from before. Can you compare and contrast?
    Oh, I get that you erroneously think you are smarter than I am. I also get that you confuse accomplishment and confidence with hubris. I also get that you don't like me. The feeling is mutual.

    Beyond that your response was just piles of straw.

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    Given the reality of group think, leadership, deception, propaganda, and minion personalities like our very own WC, not all associations are valid. OTOH, I do think that every individual, even fattie himself, is valid in and of themselves.

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    Oh, I get that you erroneously think you are smarter than I am. I also get that you confuse accomplishment and confidence with hubris. I also get that you don't like me. The feeling is mutual.

    Beyond that your response was just piles of straw.
    As I pointed out, you have difficulty in understanding how things can be many things at once and mutually exclusivity. You do it here again. No , you think you've accomplished something.

    I don't care what you think you've accomplished and you never really do more than allude to it anyway. Given the reality of privacy concerns the way you try and big time people with your stupid bluster and self assured simple declarations comes across as either incredibly obtuse or worse. Either way I naturally oppose that. When you actually do accomplish something nowadays you must be unbearable, fattie.

    One of the big reasons why kids these days have such an egalitarian spirit is because they understand these dynamics and the pointlessness of such en lement on the anonymous web. Whether your schtick is an act or your reality, it is what it is.

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    egalitarian...

    All people are not equal no matter how much you wish it to be true.

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    egalitarian...

    All people are not equal no matter how much you wish it to be true.
    elitists that can be demonstrated to show cognitive holes are funny. appeal to your anonymous accomplishments some more.

    I was just discussing the social dynamic because of the anonymous nature of the web, fattie. You're type of en lement is getting marginalized whether you are willing or not. Have fun being like that with people in public.

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    elitists that can be demonstrated to show cognitive holes are funny. appeal to your anonymous accomplishments some more.

    I was just discussing the social dynamic because of the anonymous nature of the web, fattie. You're type of en lement is getting marginalized whether you are willing or not. Have fun being like that with people in public.
    I don't have to refer to me. It is so intuitive even an idiot like you should be able to figure it out. The burned out meth head breaking into your car for the change in your coffee holder is not fundamentally equal to President Obama.

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    I don't have to refer to me. It is so intuitive even an idiot like you should be able to figure it out. The burned out meth head breaking into your car for the change in your coffee holder is not fundamentally equal to President Obama.
    wtf? Are you even capable of acknowledging what I am saying about anonymity? If you cannot then you are justifying my comments on cognitive disability.

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    Oh I get it. As long as you are anonymous on the internet in your mind you can be as good as the rest of us...
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    Oh I get it. As long as you are anonymous on the internet in your mind you can be as good as the rest of us...
    Rest of us? Having to appeal to some other authority, fattie?

    You were incapable of relating the issue of privacy btw so my justification is valid. Congratulations on your debilitating narcissism. As Aristotle says, 'a sign of an educated mind is to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.'

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    @ Fuzzy. Pathetic. Fuzzy is a real winner in his anonymous internet world.
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