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    lol you can't even piss off correctly.

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    Really good post OP. I think Parker was great in crunchtime against NYK but I also think there's much better options late game than long 2s.

    That's the problem I have with all this. The PnR opens up a bunch of options and that's fine, but good defenses are giving the worst of those options - long mid-range jumpers.

    People are saying those plays late game were good - but they weren't. They just worked out that time.

    FG% fron 10-16 ft:

    Parker: 41%
    LMA: 39%

    It's fine to have those shots as part of our offense if other options aren't there, but you can't possibly say that regularly running a set that results more often than not in a a 41% 2pt shot is a good choice in crunchtime.

    Yeah those shots were open and they went, and the Knicks hit some absurd shots. Loose ball falls in Afflalo's lap for 3, Melo hits a tough fadeaway with Kawhi in his face. Afflalo contested 26ft.

    The only real breakdown was that Porzingis slam and the Parker long 2 (honestly wtf was that).

    Percentage wise though, 40% long 2s aren't how we'll win against teams who execute well down the stretch.
    Two issues.

    Those percentages are in a vacuum and don't delineate between contested and uncontested shots.

    Parker's sweet spot is 17-19 feet, and most of the jumpers he takes generated off the PnR are within that distance. Currently, he's shooting .543 from 16 feet and out.
    LMA is shooting 42% on catch and shoots and 46% from the elbow. Not ideal, but not terrible, either. I also expect those percentages to rise.

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    You stupid . That is the easiest pass of the game. What are you ing watching dude?
    No it isn't. But thanks for trying.

    "Gib Kiwi da ball "

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    Two issues.

    Those percentages are in a vacuum and don't delineate between contested and uncontested shots.

    Parker's sweet spot is 17-19 feet, and most of the jumpers he takes generated off the PnR are within that distance. Currently, he's shooting .543 from 16 feet and out.
    LMA is shooting 42% on catch and shoots and 46% from the elbow. Not ideal, but not terrible, either. I also expect those percentages to rise.
    Good point on LMA's stats.

    I think the Parker one is a bit of an anomaly though because his role is different to previous years. His career average for 16-22 feet is 41%. He might be shooting 54% this year but I think that comes as a result of the fact he's less of a focal point and often that shot comes in the flow of the offense as opposed to a shot off the dribble in a PnR situation.

    I'm still skeptical of midrange jumpers. Yeah they're "okay" and a needed part of the team's offense. In the clutch though I'd really like to see some high-low action and exploiting mismatches in the post. Not every play, Parker PnR is fine but we're missing a massive chunk of where our nornally great offense comes from.

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    None of the above means that Parker has great court vision; he never really has and is unlikely to develop it now.
    this idea is quite common about Spurs fans and is absolutely not true tbh... Parker is playing along side Manu who is probably the goat of court vision and another highly talented dude in Boris, so it does make Parker look pedestrian in that regard. Reality is Parker even just focusing on PG position has an above average court vision not nash, paul or manu court vision but still better than most of his peers.

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    this idea is quite common about Spurs fans and is absolutely not true tbh... Parker is playing along side Manu who is probably the goat of court vision and another highly talented dude in Boris, so it does make Parker look pedestrian in that regard. Reality is Parker even just focusing on PG position has an above average court vision not nash, paul or manu court vision but still better than most of his peers.
    Well you may be quite right in that observation. Tbh, he is most often compared to the very players you mentioned, each of whom is well known for their court vision. There may be a distinction without a difference here in me saying that Parker has never really had great court vision and you saying that while he is not as good as Manu, Boris, Nash or Paul, he does have "above average" vision, or better than his peers. I think it remains possible that he is 'above average for his peers' but 'not great'.

    I think I mentioned in my original comment that no one else has court vision as good as Manu's. He is so far above everybody else (except maybe for Boris, but Boris so seldom plays the guard position I sort of take him out of the running on those comparisons) that TP is always going to look poorer in comparison.

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    Well you may be quite right in that observation. Tbh, he is most often compared to the very players you mentioned, each of whom is well known for their court vision. There may be a distinction without a difference here in me saying that Parker has never really had great court vision and you saying that while he is not as good as Manu, Boris, Nash or Paul, he does have "above average" vision, or better than his peers. I think it remains possible that he is 'above average for his peers' but 'not great'.

    I think I mentioned in my original comment that no one else has court vision as good as Manu's. He is so far above everybody else (except maybe for Boris, but Boris so seldom plays the guard position I sort of take him out of the running on those comparisons) that TP is always going to look poorer in comparison.
    Point taken tbh on the disctintion great vs. good, you actually said great... you did not say he has a poor court vision.

    If you compare with Manu, Nash, Paul... that set the highest standard of court vision, true he is not great. If you compare to the average nba player joe... Parker has a great court vision, he is not going to make laser passes or no looking stuff between the legs or see things before others but he is very sound for a PG, his bad passes % has always been among the best, his tov / assist is more than solid, he is always on top hockey assists player... In transition he is questionable at time.. true but on half court he rarely makes a bad decision. He has always been praised by players and organization about his capacity to put his team mates on good position.

    He has not a flashy court vision but a very consistent, sound and efficient one. On that he has great court vision fundamentals

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    Taking Lopez was the correct play here, especially since LMA had Melo sealed.
    Ppl just want to see Kawhi with the ball more
    To me, this isn't the problem, if he has the ball or not, it's about to find ways to exploit LMA/Kawhi matchups.
    If the Spurs would have exploited the Dudley-LMA in Washington or Kawhi-Harden in the 3rd quarter in Houston, it's likely they wouldn't have lost those games.

    LMA had Melo, Kawhi being guarded by Galloway...in that play or any other play, our guards should try to find the right way to feed them instead of going iso with mixed results.

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    To me, this isn't the problem, if he has the ball or not, it's about to find ways to exploit LMA/Kawhi matchups.
    If the Spurs would have exploited the Dudley-LMA in Washington or Kawhi-Harden in the 3rd quarter in Houston, it's likely they wouldn't have lost those games.

    LMA had Melo, Kawhi being guarded by Galloway...in that play or any other play, our guards should try to find the right way to feed them instead of going iso with mixed results.
    This particular play Tony did attempt to get the ball to LMA, and also passed to Manu to see if a lob was there and MAnu reversed the ball back to him. Obviously Melo was not stagnant like in the photo. He's a strong guy and was fighting to prevent that pass. That is why on this particular play I can't ram on Tony. Kawhi was open, but it was briefly, the pass was risky and LMA had a good shot, and so did Tony. There were multiple options there and Tony' s choice wasn't a bad one.

    If you are criticising some other games or plays that is another issue and he does miss things for others when he's on the attack for himself. It's not happening all game, but he does have mental fart moments when he will get tunnel vision. The journey through the season is for him to find a balance. In this game the play that was problematic was the contested long 2 off the dribble. He got in a roll scoring consecutively an jacked up a bad shot. Those are the moments he needs to minimize.
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    The way the play evolved and the floor was spaced far and away the best option was Parker driving to the basket. He knew he could leave Brooks in the dust and that Aldridge was positioned to seal Melo. Only other person that could have remotely closed on Parker was Calderon who was covering Green in the opposite corner and he would have gotten to Parker just in time to give Parker an and one.

    You don't bust your hump getting a mismatch switch, Brooks on Parker Melo on Aldridge to make a much higher risk lower probability cross court pass to Kawhi for a rushed three or rushed drive. That was one of the Spurs easiest baskets all night.

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    I can already tell some people don't know about basketball when they make these weak claims to prove a point. I'm done.
    And everyone in the forum can tell that you've never played basketball a day in your life.

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    And everyone in the forum can tell that you've never played basketball a day in your life.
    I've played basketball more than you but that isn't the ing topic you stupid . You obviously don't even watch basketball if you think that's not an easy pass.

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    I've played basketball more than you but that isn't the ing topic you stupid . You obviously don't even watch basketball if you think that's not an easy pass.
    k.

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    He used to be mentioned by Timothy Varner at 48 minutes of (see here).

    I don't know if that's what Fuzzy is talking about.
    Thanks !

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    Absolutely crazy that Parker is getting slammed for taking Lopez on that play.

    Kawhi had a mismatch

    Parker had a bigger one, STFU.

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