Initial attempts to sign up for ObamaCare go about as well as expected

[rmt]

Here you go, boutons, even Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...th-care-217598

And even healthy people can game the system - make sure you adjust w-4 to not get tax refund, sign up in Dec., go to PCP in Jan, run labs, do procedures (colonoscopy, pap smear, mammogram, etc for free) and then cancel for February onwards. Rinse and repeat next December.

[boutons_deux]

Here you go, boutons, even Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...th-care-217598

And even healthy people can game the system - make sure you adjust w-4 to not get tax refund, sign up in Dec., go to PCP in Jan, run labs, do procedures (colonoscopy, pap smear, mammogram, etc for free) and then cancel for February onwards. Rinse and repeat next December.

all that is fixable, and anyway much smaller by $100Bs than the Medicare/Medicaid fraud by docs, clinics, hospital corps.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010...x-sink-florida

[boutons_deux]

Repugs, LEGENDARY job creators! , said ACA was going to destroy jobs, destroy America

So much for the ‘Obamacare hurts job creation’ argument




http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...d=sm_fb_maddow

[boutons_deux]

Bobby Jindal left office today. 100,000 residents of Louisiana will gain health care tomorrow.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bob...omorrow/23509/

Thanks to Dem guv John bel Edwards

[rmt]

Repugs, LEGENDARY job creators! , said ACA was going to destroy jobs, destroy America

So much for the ‘Obamacare hurts job creation’ argument




http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...d=sm_fb_maddow

upward economic/social mobility in USA is declining, is now less than it is in Europe.

10Ms of people work hard in 1 or 2 ty jobs, and see no way to upward.

Even people with somewhat decent jobs are again going into serious debt, average credit card debt is over $10K, and their real income continues to decline.

Please think about what kind of jobs these are if income has dropped. That's right - probably mostly part-time, low-paying jobs. See where my dd interned last summer - all internships were 28 hour jobs. Stupid repubs helped delay the Cadillac tax - should've left it alone to crash Obamacare sooner.

[CosmicCowboy]

Compare the frequency of mass shootings to the passing of the ACA.

Clearly the ACA is responsible for mass shootings.

That makes just as much sense as giving ACA credit for job growth in the same period.

[Th'Pusher]

Compare the frequency of mass shootings to the passing of the ACA.

Clearly the ACA is responsible for mass shootings.

That makes just as much sense as giving ACA credit for job growth in the same period.

Who made the claim the ACA would create jobs? Republicans were claiming the ACA would destroy jobs, which clearly hasn't happened.

[CosmicCowboy]

Who made the claim the ACA would create jobs? Republicans were claiming the ACA would destroy jobs, which clearly hasn't happened.

How do you know? It's relative. Maybe more jobs would have been created without it. None of us can prove or disprove the result.

I do know it led to the creation of a lot of 28 hour work weeks.

[Th'Pusher]

How do you know? It's relative. Maybe more jobs would have been created without it. None of us can prove or disprove the result.

I do know it led to the creation of a lot of 28 hour work weeks.

A bit dated, but still relevant: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-to-obamacare/

the point is republicans were ting their pants claiming the ACA was the end of the world and a massive job killer. The reality is it isn't. That's just a fact.

[Winehole23]

overstating the case leads to disappointment, but only if people are willing to look at the results.

they aren't. it's easier to stick with fixed ideas.

[Winehole23]

and idiotic correlations, like the passage of the ACA and mass killings.

[angrydude]

and idiotic correlations, like the passage of the ACA and mass killings.

You realize that was his point right?

Speaking of idiotic...

[boutons_deux]

I do know it led to the creation of a lot of 28 hour work weeks.

have a useless anecdote, or a real study?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-to-obamacare/

any cutting of hours would be totally eliminated if Bernie's universal govt health insurance were implemented. employers could get out of the employee group health insurance completely. But, no, America is broken, and BigInsurance pays to keep it broken.

[boutons_deux]

Obamacare Is Spurring Startups and Creating Jobs

More than 90 new health-care companies employing as many as 6,200 people have been created in the U.S. since Obamacare became law, a level of entrepreneurial activity that participants say may be unprecedented for the industry.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...as-job-creator

[CosmicCowboy]

and idiotic correlations, like the passage of the ACA and mass killings.

like the passage of the ACA and job creation

I thought you were smart enough that I wouldn't have to post it in blue.

[CosmicCowboy]

Obamacare Is Spurring Startups and Creating Jobs

More than 90 new health-care companies employing as many as 6,200 people have been created in the U.S. since Obamacare became law, a level of entrepreneurial activity that participants say may be unprecedented for the industry.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...as-job-creator

*gasp*

6200 out of 10 million

[Th'Pusher]

*gasp*

6200 out of 10 million

Was the ACA a job killer as predicted by so many on the right?

Marco Rubio is apparently living in an alternate reality as he called is a job destroyer in the debate just last night.

[CosmicCowboy]

Was the ACA a job killer as predicted by so many on the right?

Marco Rubio is apparently living in an alternate reality as he called is a job destroyer in the debate just last night.

There is no way of knowing. Would the job numbers be much higher without ACA?

I don't know and you and Boo don't know, so logically neither side has a claim to being "right".

[boutons_deux]

There is no way of knowing. Would the job numbers be much higher without ACA?

I don't know and you and Boo don't know, so logically neither side has a claim to being "right".

I can play your silly game: would the job number been so much higher if Repugs hadn't blocked further fiscal stimulus, and instead applied austerity at all levels of gobt, esp education and health care?

Repugs are the true JOB KILLERS, the anti-CREATORS

[CosmicCowboy]

I can play your silly game: would the job number been so much higher if Repugs hadn't blocked further fiscal stimulus, and instead applied austerity at all levels of gobt, esp education and health care?

Repugs are the true JOB KILLERS, the anti-CREATORS

If you call having a strong dollar relative to the rest of the world (which does affect exports) then it has certainly killed some jobs. At the same time it has made a lot of consumer goods including energy relatively cheaper for the average American.

[boutons_deux]

Healthcare Jobs Just Grew At Fastest Pace Since 1991



http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamo...0b5c1519683bce

[CosmicCowboy]

Healthcare Jobs Just Grew At Fastest Pace Since 1991



http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamo...0b5c1519683bce

Hey Boo ....heard of the baby boom? They are older and sicker.

Duh

[boutons_deux]

Hey Boo ....heard of the baby boom? They are older and sicker.

Duh

Certainly, fat, diseased Americans contribute, but 10Ms now have access to healthcare due to ACA, and reports say the are using it.

A big obstacle is still the exorbitant costs from your adored BigPharma/BigMedicine/BigInsurance, even with ACA helping. Deducitibles, copays, drugs are still a kick in the head for people in poverty.

But kicking poor people in the head is one of America's, esp Repugs' and Christian Taliban's, most beloved activities.

[CosmicCowboy]

Certainly, fat, diseased Americans contribute, but 10Ms now have access to healthcare due to ACA, and reports say the are using it.

A big obstacle is still the exorbitant costs from your adored BigPharma/BigMedicine/BigInsurance, even with ACA helping. Deducitibles, copays, drugs are still a kick in the head for people in poverty.

But kicking poor people in the head is one of America's, esp Repugs' and Christian Taliban's, most beloved activities.

sorry about your headache.

[boutons_deux]

Big Pharma Spent $27 Billion Marketing to Doctors in 2012…Here’s More

“Drug companies are like high school boyfriends. They’re more interested in getting inside you than in being effective once they are there.”



http://naturalsociety.com/john-olive...3716-324066477