NBA: Still waiting for posters to name me 10 players better than Kevin Love in the league,

[DAF86]

In the Warriors scheme, Green > Klay and I don't even thing that is arguable.

Green has a ORtg of 116 and DRtg of 99, Klay sits at 111/106.

VORP/WS/WS-48/OPBM/DPBM/BPM

Green: 3.0 / 6.4 / .21 / 2.7/3.4/6.4
Klay: 0.8/4.1/0.145/2.3/-2/0.3

Green is the much better creator and honestly, it's not even close. Sure he thrives in that system and may not be as good a player as Klay (I have my doubts as to how well Klay can perform without Curry), but in the system, Green is undoubtedly more valuable, and it's not even close.

The problem wouldn't even be arguing that Thompson > Green, the problem is this re ed he said:

when the thesis is too dumb, yes. Klay is easily the best sg in the league and Draymond barely 10 points Green is supposed to be more important? Give me a break.

[Raven]

In the Warriors scheme, Green > Klay and I don't even thing that is arguable.

Green has a ORtg of 116 and DRtg of 99, Klay sits at 111/106.

VORP/WS/WS-48/OPBM/DPBM/BPM

Green: 3.0 / 6.4 / .21 / 2.7/3.4/6.4
Klay: 0.8/4.1/0.145/2.3/-2/0.3

Green is the much better creator and honestly, it's not even close. Sure he thrives in that system and may not be as good a player as Klay (I have my doubts as to how well Klay can perform without Curry), but in the system, Green is undoubtedly more valuable, and it's not even close.

just check the games where curry was out, klay played like a top 5 player in the league.

[Killakobe81]

just check the games where curry was out, klay played like a top 5 player in the league.

I respect your willingness to go down with the ship ...
Amb and I both gave you numbers that refute what you are saying. Neither of us arguing that Klay is not a better player ... We are just saying that Green is more critical to their system and more important part of their current success. Rating numbers, Points per minutes advance plus minus all reflect what Amb and I are arguing here.
Of course Klay's points go up along with his usage rate sans Curry ... the fact that he could do so is also a credit to Green who keeps the offense humming with his passing at the POA and is feeding Klay and Curry at abetter rate than any forward not named LeBron. SureIggy could give you some of that ... but not as the level Green is providing same as Rush replacing Klay. However if I had to choose 2 of the 3 to go to war in a big game in that system I am taking Curry first and Green second.

[Raven]

I respect your willingness to go down with the ship ...
Amb and I both gave you numbers that refute what you are saying. Neither of us arguing that Klay is not a better player ... We are just saying that Green is more critical to their system and more important part of their current success. Rating numbers, Points per minutes advance plus minus all reflect what Amb and I are arguing here.
Of course Klay's points go up along with his usage rate sans Curry ... the fact that he could do so is also a credit to Green who keeps the offense humming with his passing at the POA and is feeding Klay and Curry at abetter rate than any forward not named LeBron. SureIggy could give you some of that ... but not as the level Green is providing same as Rush replacing Klay. However if I had to choose 2 of the 3 to go to war in a big game in that system I am taking Curry first and Green second.

so you take out the better player, in the position that is a lot less deep both in the team and especially in the league, and the effect is smaller.. makes no sense to me. you guys are arguing that they would have to play differently without draymond, and the answer is duh? just tweak it a bit and that's it. take out klay and they need to play iggy at the 2, lose almost all of their unpredictability on offence and in time they would need to play frontcourt that they can't because they have no pf that can do that.

[Killakobe81]

so you take out the better player, in the position that is a lot less deep both in the team and especially in the league, and the effect is smaller.. makes no sense to me. you guys are arguing that they would have to play differently without draymond, and the answer is duh? just tweak it a bit and that's it. take out klay and they need to play iggy at the 2, lose almost all of their unpredictability on offence and in time they would need to play frontcourt that they can't because they have no pf that can do that.

you speaking in hypotheticals ...we are talking current state of the warriors with all things being equal. Klay may have more value in a open market to the NBA ... Green is just more valuable to this current Warriors roster.

[DAF86]

so you take out the better player, in the position that is a lot less deep both in the team and especially in the league, and the effect is smaller.. makes no sense to me. you guys are arguing that they would have to play differently without draymond, and the answer is duh? just tweak it a bit and that's it. take out klay and they need to play iggy at the 2, lose almost all of their unpredictability on offence and in time they would need to play frontcourt that they can't because they have no pf that can do that.

Why? Stop making false statements.

[DAF86]

I'm not even sure Klay is the better player straight up, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

I'm not even sure Klay is the better player straight up, tbh.

A case can be made for that too ... but I am sticking to the original argument.

[Raven]

Why? Stop making false statements.

because they have no other player? livingston is a 1 and rush is not an nba player.

[DAF86]

because they have no other player? livingston is a 1 and rush is not an nba player.

He isn't? And here was I thinking he had started in 23 of the 34 games played by the league leading, record chasing Golden State Warriors. Silly me.

[Raven]

He isn't? And here was I thinking he had started in 23 of the 34 games played by the league leading, record chasing Golden State Warriors. Silly me.

lol

[DAF86]

Does Raven seriously think that making false claims that can be proven wrong pretty easily is a good arguing technique?

[100%duncan]

Klay is not even a better player than Green...

[BD24]

Nice bounce back game by Love last night since we are trashing him still not a max player ...which I argued to death when there was talk he would sign in L.A.

Kinda hope you guys trade some draft picks to the cavs for him.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't really see any argument for Thompson over Draymond, tbh

[spurraider21]

Green is a product of Curry.

Kawhi is a product of the system.

See I can play simple too

[DAF86]

I don't really see any argument for Thompson over Draymond, tbh

But dude, the thesis is so dumb that only a few lol's would do. The thesis bro, is too dumb.

[spurraider21]

brandon rush is a career 40% 3 point shooter, of course raven cites his % in a season where he took 27 attempts

[Brazil]

#Raven

tbh

[SpursforSix]

Leonard
LeBron
Durant
Wiggins
Parsons
Dirk
Rondo
Bazemore
Steph
Boogie

[ambchang]

just check the games where curry was out, klay played like a top 5 player in the league.

The two games Curry didn't play? Klay had a -11 in a 23 loss to Dallas, and a +10 in a tight win over Houston.

[ambchang]

The problem wouldn't even be arguing that Thompson > Green, the problem is this re ed he said:

Seriously, the only thing that Klay has an undisputed lead on Green is in the GF department.

[DPG21920]

Seriously, the only thing that Klay has an undisputed lead on Green is in the GF department.

She left him.

[Mikeanaro]

Lol Hemisphere still getting ted on, thread backfired since the first day.

[Killakobe81]

She left him.

He cheated ...iirc and though her face is a bit off to me ...not ugly by any measure just not my type ... her body is banging though