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Major key tbh Curry does a lot of his work on switches
Listen dude, I'm having a hard time feeling like you're arguing in good faith here when you do things like cut off a quote half-way to make it a strawman for your argument.
Anyway, since there's no reason to go point-by-point now, I will just say that Kawhi's getting the ball at the rate he should, and frankly this idea that he's not a big enough part of the offense is antiquated and just plain lame. Like all Spurs, he will have games where he just takes over, and he'll have games where you feel like he could have taken over if he had gotten more touches. That happens with all Spurs, though obviously the good games happen more to stars. The team will obviously defer to Kawhi, and they'll do so in big moments, like the ing NBA Finals. So I don't think it's a concern that Kawhi will be frozen out of any big games.
In general, the Spurs offense works best when they aren't looking to Kawhi to force anything. One of the biggest reasons why he's a great post player is because he is not getting too many of them. He can be selective on his match-ups, and he can get post plays off good movement and not just as a first option. Parker getting the touches he does is good for the offense so long as they're drives, because that collapses the defense in ways that allow other players to be open. Doubling out of the post does that too, but it's not as predictable, and the passing angles aren't as well-defined. Trading that out for a player who would play better in a Kawhi-centered scheme would hurt the other players significantly. And no, I'm not saying you are advocating trading Parker. I'm talking about why Parker's touches are good for the team (meaning better than Leonard's at this point).
I just don't get it. The Spurs have a top-three offense (I think), with Kawhi is the leading scorer a Parker who is giving us hope that he'll be worth is contract and an improving LMA, and you're still complaining about the balance. It's absurd.
Major key tbh Curry does a lot of his work on switches
Carlos Boozer set illegal screens like crazy with Utah, and Kevin Garnett and Kendrick Perkins have been doing it forever. If the Spurs haven't figured out how to play through it by now they don't deserve to win.
I agree with this. Much has been said about Pop not showing his hand this early, but the flip-side of that is that a game like this one -- if you take away any real urgent need to get a win (which was advanced a lot by the results from other games over the weekend) -- becomes a real life laboratory for Pop to try combinations in spurts, to look at individual matchups for brief periods of time (Can Simmons be an irritant to Curry? Can you get away with Parker/Mills on Barnes if you need to put a wing on Curry? Can Aldridge guard Green for stretches?), and to tinker with small tactical things just to see what they look like. Pop will seemingly always put process over results at this stage of the season and taking advantage of the opportunity to do those things in a live fire environment is about the Pop-iest thing of all Pop-y things.
It will frustrate the living out of a lot of Spurs fans (particularly if the Spurs lose), but it's absolutely, positively puro Popovich.
It have been naive on my part to think he was good because of his talent and his great post-moves.
If that's the formula for success, the Spurs should post Danny a few times too, just one or two possessions per game, and he'll turn into a post-up beast.
I'm wrong for thinking that a young post-up player needs the reps and handling double teams in different game-situations, to get better.
Well, it's also absurd that the Spurs have one of the best post-up players in the league with the lowest post freq.I just don't get it. The Spurs have a top-three offense (I think), with Kawhi is the leading scorer a Parker who is giving us hope that he'll be worth is contract and an improving LMA, and you're still complaining about the balance. It's absurd.
About being selective on matchups, someone can see the absurdity in having a low start in a quarter and don't go to Kawhi in the post when he's guarding by Kobe or Harden for long minutes.
Get it. Quote the whole post.Listen dude, I'm having a hard time feeling like you're arguing in good faith here when you do things like cut off a quote half-way to make it a strawman for your argument.
Please tell me that you're seriously not having a hard time figuring out what I am saying. The reason why Kawhi is so efficient in post touches is because he doesn't just post every time down the floor. He does so when he's on a hot streak, against a mismatch or after there's a lot of movement to get him the ball in good position. Increasing those attempts will almost inevitably lead to a drop in efficiency.
Kawhi's great post-up player, even against bigger guys, we saw him in the post against LeBron in the last game and it was a beautiful play, so nice moves.
Exploiting Kawhi's favorable matchups in the post against small/ ty defenders is a great thing.
Thinking that the efficiency of a great post-up player will drop if he's taking more attempts is ...not that good.
If someone says there is a correlation between the numbers of touches and that type of post-up players' efficiency, that's just a subtle negation of how good that player is in the post.
If that's the case, then he's really not the MVP candidate that so much of the world has him made out to be. At some point we have to find out, don't we?
Why would that prevent him from being an MVP candidate?
I'm really trying to figure out what's so hard to understand about what I am saying. I have NEVER- ING-EVER said Kawhi is not a great post-up player. But ONE of the reasons why he's so efficient is because he is selective. Curry is the best shooter that's ever lived, but he's not leading in 3PT% because he's NOT very selective with his attempts. This idea that shot-selection affects success rates shouldn't be debatable.
Anyway, my general point was that the Spurs should ride with Parker as long as he looks like he can still go, and they need to give LMA a lot of touches to get him acclimated. Both of those things are working out now, and Kawhi is STILL the leading scorer. So no, it doesn't make sense to "find out" what happens when Kawhi is the overwhelming top-dog in the offense, because the Spurs dog need that now, and they can just deal with it in the future is that ever comes to fruition.
It sounded to me like the argument was not to give him the ball more because suddenly his value to the offense goes away. I'm sort of in the middle of the argument because I think he could get the ball as often as he wants and he's gotten good enough that he knows what to do with it.
Being the leading scorer has nothing to do with posting him more often. Too hard to understand?
Again, he's one of the best post-up player with the lowest post-up freq, that doesn't make sense if the Spurs want to play him at his strenghts.
Sorry, the whole post.
He's the second-best three-point shooter in the league. Seems like he's doing just fine on the perimeter. So you're either talking about taking the ball away from the other players or reducing his most efficient and most beneficial way of scoring.
-He's in a 3-point shooting slump.
-He's a post-up player.
Looks like you want to limit Kawhi an awful lot. He's a complete scorer, and he's scoring well in the role he's in now. Parker and LMA are also scoring well. These are just things we know.
He's no more a post up player than a 3 point shooter. Because you choose to look at his last 7 games with blinders on doesn't change the fact he's still the scond best in the league. What's our record in his horrible shooting slump?! Oh, yeah. 7-0. There is no need for drastic change. One could argue that his threat from outside puts pressure on defenses not to double post players like Diaw and LMA when he's in the game...leading to...victories.
At the end of the season, your last seven game shooting slump rationale will look silly, as he probably will not remain in that slump throughout the remainder of the season. It's almost a perfect example of over-reaction. The second best 3 point shooter in the league has a 7 game slump and you your pants and want to revamp the offense.
You're trying to rationalize with a player fan. You and Chinook have seen how well that has worked...
Of course you are correct.
Obstructed_View awesome awesome write up my friend
Hopefully we get a post game one if you're up for it.
Selective means he's in charge of deciding what he's going to do. I was under the impression that people thought the coaching staff was deciding when and how he touches the ball.
A guy is a player fan because he wants a player gets touches in the post?
It's not surprising that in this game, most of Kawhi points came from post-up plays, Barnes, Klay, Iguodala couldn't defend him once he got the ball in the post.
Unlike Chinook and lilcoyote, I would have liked to see more of his post-up game in the first half instead of going away from Kawhi's favorite spots.
At least, it would have given us a chance in the 2nd quarter.
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Here it is: The Warriors are the best team in the league, and it's not as close as three games in the loss column.Obstructed_View awesome awesome write up my friend
Hopefully we get a post game one if you're up for it.
I turned the game off with about a minute to go in the first quarter and did something else. I'm still at the angry stage because I want Pop to take a regular season matchup seriously for once.
THANK YOU
So sick of all these awful "It's only a January Game" crap. Last night's game was definitely cause for concern. I just can't see any way the Spurs can beat GS (especially without HCA) unless LaMarcus and Kawhi have a legendary performance consistently throughout the series.
It is what it is, but the Spurs looked completely uninterested last night and overwhelmed.
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