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Actually that's good to hear. I'll go back and watch that. I shouldn't put it on him if that's not the case. They just murdered us in the 2nd quarter and LMA sat the entire time. However Boban only played part of that quarter.
Boban was negative 1 plus minus in 8 minutes. We didn't lose the game there. We actually looked like a good team. Prove me wrong.
Actually that's good to hear. I'll go back and watch that. I shouldn't put it on him if that's not the case. They just murdered us in the 2nd quarter and LMA sat the entire time. However Boban only played part of that quarter.
A rational fan?
What what!
This is EXACTLY what Pop is experimenting on, who is going to step up and resume Duncan's role as the LEADER of this team. Kawhi isn't going to be that guy. LMA is not that guy. Green isn't that guy either. I think KA can be that guy. He was the vocal leader of his UCLA team. I think Boban can be that guy once his English gets better and once he learns the Spurs system better. Watch his serbian games, he is very vocal with his teammates.Obviously Tim's leadership is being missed. Both West and Kawhi spoke about that after last night. It's more than rim protection, Tim is the one calling the shots, literally, on defense. Someone needs to step up in his place, They are not 'communicating' with each other. I'm sure LMA and West being new might make it harder for them to be the leaders on defense, but someone has gotta do it!
Not joking, just looking at last night's game and previous games, KA and Boban have excellent communication. Probably the best outside of Duncan. They work very well with each other. KA had the biggest +/- last night and there was a reason the Spurs expanded their lead in the late 3rd early 4th quarters once he entered the game.
But someone does need to step up. Kawhi and West are finally figuring out just why Pop is sitting and resting Duncan right now.
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Ian is French, he never went to school in US
A rational fan?
What what!
Kyle did look very good last night. Whoever takes that leadership role need to be in the starting line-up. Wonder if Boris isn't a guy who know the system and has the experience and personality to direct. I like that Kyle had that role in college. He is a good distributor and I'm sure his leadership, especially offensively, will continue to develop in the NBA.
Bunch of betas outside of Tim. Sad.
You are 100% right Brazil, my apology. I was getting Ian mixed up with Anthony Tolliver, not for the first time. Girl I know went to school with him in the mid-west and was always being invited to games. Je m'excuse s'il vous plait!
You are 100% right Brazil, my apology. I was getting Ian mixed up with Anthony Tolliver, not for the first time. Girl I know went to school with him in the mid-west and was always being invited to games. Je m'excuse s'il vous plait!
Tu es tout excuse
You hit the nail on the head. The leadership potential is there on Kyle. He's vocal, he encourages and cheers teammates who make good plays. He takes the lead on offense at times, he points to guys the right spots to be, and he was the most vocal defensively and talking to guys pointing when to rotate. He has incredible BBIQ and anticipates well enough to know when to help and to point out to the person who should be rotating to do it. He did this for us in the CLE game too. He scored well, took the leadership and was active on defense. It is not a fluke that he had the best +/- in both games.
Everyone would have thought we were throwing away the game against CLE in the 4th Q with the garbage time crew. Not so, Kyle and crew cut the lead and got that game within 10 points and if only we had some 3 pt shooting in that stretch (for example a Patty Mills or Danny Green scoring burst like Patty had to enable the comeback against ORL), we could have been in a position to win.
I do think Kyle is just a natural leader and when our vets do retire he will be needed to step up in a consistent fashion.
Isn't Boris the real leader of the FNT?
Kyle did look very good last night. Whoever takes that leadership role need to be in the starting line-up. Wonder if Boris isn't a guy who know the system and has the experience and personality to direct. I like that Kyle had that role in college. He is a good distributor and I'm sure his leadership, especially offensively, will continue to develop in the NBA.
He's been in the system the longest of all our current bigs.
I am guessing his experience is a big help to LMA, and he's also a veteran, so with all his experience he makes sense to step in for Timmy right now.
So what d'you say? Play Boris with the SL and Kyle with the bench?
Yes, I guess so. Boris' vet saavy should help them, plus he has incredible chemistry with Tony and is a better screener bc Kyle is so slim. Boris' screens should help Tony. Boris also gets Kawhi involved a whole lot. Overall, I think Pop's choice of Boris to start was a good one.
Kyle has stepped up in a bench role... and he previously didn't have much chemistry with Manu, but as Manu starts to play off Kyle more (instead of the reverse), they are playing better together as a tandem. Kyle gets open shots for Manu at the 3pt line, and also finds him cutting. Its just a huge help to Manu IMO. Also, Manu helps him as well in the role he will have to grow into (and is currently growing into).
Je sais!
Tu es tout excuse
KA, future Spur star, will become the leader we need.
Yes I believe he is the Captain of the FNT so he is no stranger to the role. I also concur with you that his size and experience with Tony makes sense for him being in the SL. Big help to LMA too! It met the eye test too last night....for awhile!
And people shouldn't worry that Kawhi and LMA aren't the leader types. Look no further to than the recent Lakers championship teams. Is wasn't Shaq/Gasol or Kobe that were the leaders, it was Fisher. I always knew this and Phil Jackson just confirmed just that a few years ago.
That game against Houston, KA did an excellent job as a starter and getting everyone involved. Green had probably his best quarter of the season. I think KA will be a big part of the Spurs going forward.
I agree about the Manu-Kyle thing
I couldn't watch the game last night,but when I did today (you see a lot more stuff when you already know the result
Manu was able to find Kyle and get him open shots (or got the hockey assist 'cause Kyle made the good-to-great kind of pass) and as he also still moves around a lot on offense and is a great cutter he benefits from playing with somebody who's as good of a passer as Kyle (that's why the chemistry between him and BoBo is great)
As I said in another thread Manu obviously needs the ball in his hands to be effective,but him playing off the ball sometimes to save his legs (Pop has been trying to do it with Mills this season,but with mixed results) knowing there's another competent ball-handler out there whose game is also a bit more perimeted-oriented than Diaw's is not going to hurt us
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I have not watched Manu's entire career, but I think he plays off others really well, specially post players bc of his 3 pt shooting and cutting instincts. Kyle is not a ball hog at all. He made plays, but he passed to Patty, and Ray made a play for Kyle too. They didn't mesh well together initially IMO bc Kyle's best asset is his passing and leadership and so is Manu's, so there were redundancies but since Kyle is playing as a big its a bit different dynamic. I think Pop was reluctant to move Diaw to the SL bc of his tremendous chemistry with Manu, but Manu showed he can play with Kyle just as well, at least when Kyle is the 4. The bench didn't lose any of its passing when switching Diaw for Kyle. The concerns are rebounding but already Diaw/West had trouble in that area. Kyle/Manu switched a lot on defense, sometimes honestly at Manu's request, and often Manu ended up having to box out a big for a rebound that just simply got the rebound over his head.I agree about the Manu-Kyle thing
I couldn't watch the game last night,but when I did today (you see a lot more stuff when you already know the result
Manu was able to find Kyle and get him open shots (or got the hockey assist 'cause Kyle made the good-to-great kind of pass) and as he also still moves around a lot on offense and is a great cutter he benefits from playing with as much who's as good of a passer as Kyle (that's why the chemistry between him and BoBo is great)
As I said in another thread Manu obviously needs the ball in his hands to be effective,but him playing off the ball sometimes to save his legs (Pop has been trying to do it with Mills this season,but with mixed results) knowing there's another competent ball-handler out there whose game is also a bit more perimeted-oriented than Diaw's is not going to hurt us
If that is a concern I could see Pop going back to LMA/Kyle and then Diaw/West.
Manu's switching a lot this season,which is understandable at this point of his career and in some occasions he finds himself defending the other team's bigs...there was a play when he found himself on one of the Magic bigs and after ended up forcing Fournier to turn the ball over and that was SO good to see,and he's also a good enough flopper to get the offensive foul quite a few times
No Championships post-DuncanPERIOD
I always laugh at the word leadership. Its a word that's thrown out a lot during job interviews.
Well without it you end up with a clusterf*ck most of the time.
Without leadership there is also a lot of freelancing and guys going one on one or you will have guys out of position, like you say a clusterf*ck.Well without it you end up with a clusterf*ck most of the time.
Well,having a guy out there who's vocal,isn't afraid of getting the ball and making plays down the stretch and has the trust of his teammates certainly helps,especially in difficult situations
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