Bernie Sanders

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/1081479...ders-tax-rates

Vox is well known for its conservative fear mongering ...

Counselor Crayola's google sophistry on full display. Can you even quote the salient portion of the article or you just going to go full Darrin and we're supposed to do your critical thinking for you?

It seems quite possible, then, that Sanders's plans would spur people owning stocks and other investments to sell them less regularly, reducing tax revenue by enough to offset any gain from the increase in the rate.

That article uses the same Laffer curve logic of uncertainty although it is more comprehensive than the pile you linked the first time.

[boutons_deux]

Yes, Bernie Sanders Dominated The 30 And Younger Crowd In Iowa


According to NBC News exit polling, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) won 84 percent of Iowa caucusgoers under the age of 30 Monday night. Clinton earned just 14 percent of them and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley won 2 percent of that demographic.

But, it was not just the so-called millennials feeling "the Bern," caucus voters between the ages of 30 and 44 also boosted Sanders en masse. According to the NBC exit poll, 58 percent of them supported Sanders. Clinton was more than 20 points behind with 37 percent of that demographic.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29


good news, but Bernie will have a hard time overcoming "sexist iden y politics" (women voting for woman BECAUSE she is woman), the black vote for Hillary, and blatant MSM bias for Hillary.

[spurraider21]

Yes, Bernie Sanders Dominated The 30 And Younger Crowd In Iowa


According to NBC News exit polling, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) won 84 percent of Iowa caucusgoers under the age of 30 Monday night. Clinton earned just 14 percent of them and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley won 2 percent of that demographic.

But, it was not just the so-called millennials feeling "the Bern," caucus voters between the ages of 30 and 44 also boosted Sanders en masse. According to the NBC exit poll, 58 percent of them supported Sanders. Clinton was more than 20 points behind with 37 percent of that demographic.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29


good news, but Bernie will have a hard time overcoming "sexist iden y politics" (women voting for woman BECAUSE she is woman), the black vote for Hillary, and blatant MSM bias for Hillary.

thinking "sexist iden y politics" is anything goes new. Same happens with race and religion too

[101A]

I agree wholeheartedly with trade schools being put front and center for many people. Many public ins utions do offer certificates and education similar to those, and i think by and large that area should be a key focus of any state provided or subsidized education plan. Thats definitely an area bernie never touches on that I strongly feel should be part of the discussion

Common Ground. Nice.

[Warlord23]

Agreed.

Now, the question is, does someone like Bernie spur the conversation to where it needs to go (i.e., what you identified above)? Or does he stifle conversation about pragmatic reforms with the promise of a utopian single-payer system?

You want to wean people off the government by making all healthcare and education free for all provided by the government?!?!!!

Not taken many classes that demand you draw logical conclusions yet, huh?

I'm gonna take a wild guess ... The US is the only country you've lived and worked in.

The argument behind managing healthcare centrally is to do with (a) cost control and (b) better outcomes for every dollar spent. I moved from the US to the UK in 2009, and I can tell you that I prefer the UK system any day. Having a public health system that's free at the point of use for most scenarios while still having employer-sponsored private cover for potentially faster access to specialised treatment is the best combination IMO.

This has nothing to do with keeping people motivated and/or weaning people off the government, unless you think people intentionally fall sick so they can enjoy a hospital stay. Either way, I prefer looking at real data than ideological hypothetical. The UK spends half of what the US does both as a % of GDP and on a per-capita basis on healthcare and gets better outcomes. If that isn't fiscally conservative, I don't know what is.

When you have drug companies that are unable to replicate their blockbuster successes of yesteryear, but are trying to maximise revenue based on ever more specialty treatments, and insurance companies that don't really want a free market nationwide - it sets up all kinds of misguided incentives - the cost of which is borne by the taxpayer ultimately. Just because it doesn't get deducted as a tax from your paycheck, don't think you aren't getting the shaft.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Words missing in this post include: Bernie, Sanders, Income, Tax, Rate, Middle, and Class.

I hope you do a better job in court. You have no clue how to control a conversation other than petulance and you drop arguments left and right.

Here's a hint: just because I don't answer your questions how you want me to doesn't mean I didn't answer your question.

[boutons_deux]

With total count in, Hillary's "lead" drops from 0.3% to 0.2%.

winning 6 straight flips is 1 in 64, or 0.15625 P.

[boutons_deux]

In Ames, Clinton was awarded county delegates based on a coin toss only after 60 caucus participants suddenly disappeared, for unknown reasons.

Moreover, a widely circulated video uploaded to C-SPAN alleges that Clinton supporters committed voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa. The post claims that the video shows the caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain not conducting an actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately misleading the caucus.

Mere hours after being uploaded, the C-SPAN post had hundreds of thousands of views.

These cir stances led critics on social media to use the hashtags #coingate, #coinspiracy and #coinghazi.





http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/crit...inner_in_iowa/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

2.2% - so the think the employer will just eat his/her 6.2% of that?

And it's not Medicare; Bernie's plan is "better" than Medicare. NO out of pocket, ever, for anyone. No Copays, deductibles, coinsurance for anything! This will (if any laws of supply/demand/cost etc. actually exist in Bernie's world drive UP utilization and cost. Free will get used more, after all. So we are going to put an 8.4% payroll tax on every working man woman and child to pay for (according to Ezra Klein) about 45% of the population's healthcare (that's the number who currently get their healthcare from their employers). I assume Medicare will get rolled into this after all, since it does include inconveniences like deductibles and copays; I can't imagine Bernie making retirees pay more than everyone else. So, a minimum wage employee, who currently gets coverage through an exchange at no cost to them; now has an 8.4% hickey, and no choice in the matter. Meanwhile, old people, with nothing but time on their hands, can make, and attend even more doctor's appointments than they already do.

Bernie's obviously go this all sorted out

On the one hand you complain tragedy of the commons and then on the other you complain about low wage workers having to pay something.

Cognitive dissonance is a .

As for the payroll tax, with medicare expansion will employers have to pay the insurance company full coverage premium's still?

[boutons_deux]

CNN blatantly rigging for Hillary

CNN really lets Paul Begala analyze Clinton vs Sanders? The revolving door spins out of control

If you’re running for president, you couldn’t dream of anything better than having a longtime ally helping lead a major network’s news coverage the day of an election.

That’s just what Hillary Clinton got last night on CNN, where Clinton booster Paul Begala shot down, time and again, even the most tepid praise for Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Sanders essentially finished tied with Clinton in the Iowa caucuses, trailing in the delegate count by the most narrow of margins.

According to Begala, however — who famously advised Bill Clinton during his presidency and got $220,000 from pro-Hillary super PAC Priorities USA Action — the Bernie revolution is a total fiction.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/cnn_...ut_of_control/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Old people and their cable news.

[z0sa]

Common Ground. Nice.

We all have common ground if we look hard enough.

[baseline bum]

With total count in, Hillary's "lead" drops from 0.3% to 0.2%.

winning 6 straight flips is 1 in 64, or 0.15625 P.

No, it's P = 0.015625

[boutons_deux]

No, it's P = 0.015625

yep, my first mistake this decade, thanks

[101A]

On the one hand you complain tragedy of the commons and then on the other you complain about low wage workers having to pay something.

Cognitive dissonance is a .

As for the payroll tax, with medicare expansion will employers have to pay the insurance company full coverage premium's still?

Right now employers have the right to NOT offer health insurance. Many don't.

[boutons_deux]

Right now employers have the right to NOT offer health insurance. Many don't.

... and therefore aren't compe ive for the best people, but probably they hire ty people anyway, plenty of them around.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Right now employers have the right to NOT offer health insurance. Many don't.

Sure and they get a penalty. The corporate penalty is much more severe than the personal one.

At the end of the day we still pay 25% of our GDP towards a healthcare system that is tied primarily to corporate payrolls while subverting compe ion and negotiations. This serves to drive up the cost of labor with no real added benefit to anyone but the industry.

[Spurminator]

Does anyone wonder what will happen to the VALUE of a bachelor's when it's free? Or what will happen to the cost of college when govt is paying for it?

The college education would be free, not the diploma. The value of a degree is based on the level of education you completed and, often, your grades. Not how much you paid.

[rmt]

The college education would be free, not the diploma. The value of a degree is based on the level of education you completed and, often, your grades. Not how much you paid.

Supply and demand - when there are many more diplomas, does that change the perceived value to the employer with the same limited amount of jobs?

[MultiTroll]

Does Bern now regret saying We're sick of hearing about the emails?

It would seem a commercial with Hillary giving her initial snarky responses would be spot on. Trump and Crudz must be waiting to unleash it.

[Spurminator]

Supply and demand - when there are many more diplomas, does that change the perceived value to the employer with the same limited amount of jobs?

Not all diplomas are created equal. There are already useless diplomas that cost money.

[Th'Pusher]

Supply and demand - when there are many more diplomas, does that change the perceived value to the employer with the same limited amount of jobs?

More diplomas means a larger pool of potential candidates from which to select talent while introducing more compe ion. A conservative gal like you should be applauding that.

[rmt]

Does Bern now regret saying We're sick of hearing about the emails?

It would seem a commercial with Hillary giving her initial snarky responses would be spot on. Trump and Crudz must be waiting to unleash it.

I don't see why he doesn't call her out on them. Responsible behavior is a pre-requisite for the highest office in this land. Geez, if you're going to spend all this time running, give it all you've got, fight hard - no regrets.

[rmt]

Not all diplomas are created equal. There are already useless diplomas that cost money.

So we'll have more useless diplomas that cost tax payer money?

[spurraider21]

More diplomas means a larger pool of potential candidates from which to select talent while introducing more compe ion. A conservative gal like you should be applauding that.

Yep