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    A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.

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    Ultimately , why does any of this matter?

    Once he almost ran over the agent/trooper, he was fair game.
    That and again the action right before the death blow where he reached for his waist.

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    You can normally find TSA's takes are simply regurgitations of conservativetreehouse, breitbart and infowars.

    He doesn't cite them because like the Darrin account he knows his sources are .

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    Ultimately , why does any of this matter?

    Once he almost ran over the agent/trooper, he was fair game.
    Have they said that action justified the shoot? I haven't heard that.
    It's hard to tell from the angle in the air but it looks like they set the roadblock up right around a corner on an icy road. Still can't figure out why the trooper ran at the truck either.

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    Your parroting Inforwars take and not doing it very well.

    http://www.infowars.com/was-lavoy-fi...ed-by-the-fbi/

    Here they are making your audio argument. I know you want to believe the 120 bullets story.
    kind of hard to parrot a site when I posted the video here before your site discussed it. Is Alex Jones parroting TSA? Haven't heard the 120 bullets story. Wanting to hear the audio first is what any rational person would ask for before coming to conclusions. Amusing watching you run about the site shouting about the thin blue line and LEBOR and throwing all that out the window in this case.

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    Different agencies.
    OSP on the ground FBI in the sky, makes sense then. Still want to know if they'll release video/audio from the ground, would answer a lot of questions.

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    You can normally find TSA's takes are simply regurgitations of conservativetreehouse, breitbart and infowars.

    He doesn't cite them because like the Darrin account he knows his sources are .
    I don't frequent any of those sites, and it appears I'm ahead of them in obtaining information.

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    Who said that I had made a decision? of course I want to see all the info. That doesn't mean to wishcast to fill in the blanks. given the info we have now it is what it is. If new info comes in then I will look at it similar to the Justice Dept report in Missouri.

    My LEOBOR concerns indictments and investigations against police. That isn't what is going on here. Ty and keep up.

    And I don't read your posts. You responded to me so I looked but that is the extant. Your take is the same as theirs and that article is from several days ago. In general you are not reliable. link your claim.

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    Have they said that action justified the shoot? I haven't heard that.
    It's currently under review by some county task force. I'm speculating, but in most places that cons utes assault with a deadly weapon.

    It's hard to tell from the angle in the air but it looks like they set the roadblock up right around a corner on an icy road. Still can't figure out why the trooper ran at the truck either.
    Seems to be enough of a clearing that they could see the three trucks. Of course dash cam would help. Looks like only one official vehicle there with lights though.

    OSP on the ground FBI in the sky, makes sense then. Still want to know if they'll release video/audio from the ground, would answer a lot of questions.
    Sure. Like I said, some other agency is reviewing the shoot, so don't expect much for a few weeks.

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    you are a gullible stupid .

    I knew your chart had inconsistencies having read the witness statements myself. Looks like someone actually took the time to break down what was wrong with PBS's chart.

    I told you over and over to read the witness statements on your own but you were too lazy and relied on PBS to do your thinking for you. How embarrassing.



    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/media...5/original.jpg

    click the link to see the chart and zoom in

    Original chart 261 data fields
    141 errors reported in data
    Accuracy of original chart 46%



    After all of this you will still refuse to read the statements on your own. Thanks for the laugh blowhard, always enjoy watching you flail around.
    Note how he doesn't cite it as from conservativetreehouse. He pulled it from this article: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...cted-visually/

    This account is a lying piece of just like the Darrin account.

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    Jailed Oregon militants have extensive criminal histories — many aren’t even allowed to carry guns

    The arrested militiamen of the Oregon refuge occupation have had extensive previous run-ins with the law – and a history of anti-government protests that federal officials are now using against them in court.
    In recent filings in federal court in Portland, prosecutors have detailed the criminal histories of the 11 people facing felony charges for their involvement in the armed occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge, which began 2 January and continues to drag on this week with no end in sight .

    The men’s rap sheets include cases of domestic violence, illegal firearm possession, terrorist threats, resisting arrest and drug crimes, according to the court records.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/jail...e+Raw+Story%29


    TSA adorably supports and defends these mofos.





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    And I don't read your posts. You responded to me so I looked but that is the extant. Your take is the same as theirs and that article is from several days ago. In general you are not reliable. link your claim.
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    he definitely did not charge anyone, can't tell which guy shot him but if its the guy on the left it looks like he shot him from behind. Haven't heard whether or not Lavoy was armed but this video is not what boutons was hoping for.

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    Need to see the dash cam video with audio to determine whether this was a good shoot or not. From this video with no audio it looks like he could have been reaching for a gun. He was shot three times. The dash cam and audio will show if he was reaching towards his body for a gun and was then shot or if he was shot with his hands up and then reached for his wounds before being hit with the finishing shot.

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    Jailed Oregon militants have extensive criminal histories — many aren’t even allowed to carry guns

    The arrested militiamen of the Oregon refuge occupation have had extensive previous run-ins with the law – and a history of anti-government protests that federal officials are now using against them in court.
    In recent filings in federal court in Portland, prosecutors have detailed the criminal histories of the 11 people facing felony charges for their involvement in the armed occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge, which began 2 January and continues to drag on this week with no end in sight .

    The men’s rap sheets include cases of domestic violence, illegal firearm possession, terrorist threats, resisting arrest and drug crimes, according to the court records.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/jail...e+Raw+Story%29


    TSA adorably supports and defends these mofos.




    Said from the start the militia guys are ing idiots. Try again.

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    Note how he doesn't cite it as from conservativetreehouse. He pulled it from this article: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...cted-visually/ This account is a lying piece of just like the Darrin account.

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    It's currently under review by some county task force. I'm speculating, but in most places that cons utes assault with a deadly weapon.

    Seems to be enough of a clearing that they could see the three trucks. Of course dash cam would help. Looks like only one official vehicle there with lights though.

    Sure. Like I said, some other agency is reviewing the shoot, so don't expect much for a few weeks.
    Doesn't look like he saw them in time as he doesn't appear to hit the brakes and tries to avoid hitting them. He could have just rammed them if he wanted to hurt people. But yeah it's really tough to tell from the angle we are looking at. I don't think it'd be an easy sell to a jury to justify the shoot based on the road block situation alone. Now him getting shot when he got out is an easy good shoot call.

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    Bundy militants could be forced to repay $3.4 million to taxpayers over illegal stunt

    An Oregon Democrat introduced legislation that would require Ammon Bundy and other out-of-state militants to repay taxpayers for the cost of their armed takeover of a wildlife sanctuary.Rep. Earl Blumenauer introduced a bill that would require the militants — and the federal government — to pay back costs associated with the occupation, which the lawmaker estimates at $100,000 a day, reported KOIN-TV.

    The bill would require the U.S. Department of Justice “to quickly reimburse state and local law enforcement agencies up front for costs associated with responding to the armed takeover.”


    The U.S. Attorney General would then be allowed sue the militants to recover those costs.


    “It would allow the federal government to go after the armed people who started it,” Blumenauer said. “But in the meantime, the people of Harney County shouldn’t have to suffer twice — had the disruption and then have to pay the bill.”


    Blumenauer said the federal government should pay some of the costs to Oregon taxpayers, because he said authorities prolonged the standoff by waiting to arrest or confront the militants.


    “The state and local government shouldn’t have to pick up the tab — it’s not their fault,” he said. “The feds need to reimburse and then go after the people who caused it.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/bund...e+Raw+Story%29

    still are 4 occupiers who won't come out unless they will not be arrested



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    Bundy militants could be forced to repay $3.4 million to taxpayers over illegal stunt

    An Oregon Democrat introduced legislation that would require Ammon Bundy and other out-of-state militants to repay taxpayers for the cost of their armed takeover of a wildlife sanctuary.Rep. Earl Blumenauer introduced a bill that would require the militants — and the federal government — to pay back costs associated with the occupation, which the lawmaker estimates at $100,000 a day, reported KOIN-TV.

    The bill would require the U.S. Department of Justice “to quickly reimburse state and local law enforcement agencies up front for costs associated with responding to the armed takeover.”


    The U.S. Attorney General would then be allowed sue the militants to recover those costs.


    “It would allow the federal government to go after the armed people who started it,” Blumenauer said. “But in the meantime, the people of Harney County shouldn’t have to suffer twice — had the disruption and then have to pay the bill.”


    Blumenauer said the federal government should pay some of the costs to Oregon taxpayers, because he said authorities prolonged the standoff by waiting to arrest or confront the militants.


    “The state and local government shouldn’t have to pick up the tab — it’s not their fault,” he said. “The feds need to reimburse and then go after the people who caused it.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/bund...e+Raw+Story%29

    still are 4 occupiers who won't come out unless they will not be arrested


    I don't remember you calling for the OWS protestors to pay

    'Occupy' Protests Cost Nation's Cities At Least $13 Million

    NEW YORK — During the first two months of the nationwide Occupy protests, the movement that is demanding more out of the wealthiest Americans cost local taxpayers at least $13 million in police overtime and other municipal services, according to a survey by The Associated Press.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1109695.html

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    I don't remember you calling for the OWS protestors to pay

    'Occupy' Protests Cost Nation's Cities At Least $13 Million

    NEW YORK — During the first two months of the nationwide Occupy protests, the movement that is demanding more out of the wealthiest Americans cost local taxpayers at least $13 million in police overtime and other municipal services, according to a survey by The Associated Press.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1109695.html
    So posting an article now means that you're advocating for the contents of the article?

    Good to know.

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    So posting an article now means that you're advocating for the contents of the article?

    Good to know.
    In this case yes, boutons for sure wants the militia squatters to pay. Ask him.

    Since you are here again and I assume you've finally figured out what the last 17 pages have been about I'll ask the question you ran from again.

    Did the constant harassment the Hammonds received from the government for 20 years in an attempt to force them off their land need National attention?

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    In this case yes, boutons for sure wants the militia squatters to pay. Ask him.

    Since you are here again and I assume you've finally figured out what the last 17 pages have been about I'll ask the question you ran from again.

    Did the constant harassment the Hammonds received from the government for 20 years in an attempt to force them off their land need National attention?
    That's your invention. The arsonists, having lost all federal appeals, deserved to be in prison and that issue warranted no national attention.

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    That's your invention. The arsonists, having lost all federal appeals, deserved to be in prison and that issue warranted no national attention.
    Once again, I'm not talking about the arson case. Are you purposely avoiding answering my question about the 20 years of harassment and attempted land grab or do you just have no knowledge of it?

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    Always amusing to see a guy bump a thread he last ran away from.

    Are you purposely avoiding answering my question about the 20 years of harassment and attempted land grab or do you just have no knowledge of it?

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    Speaking of gots who run from threads
    Your take is the same as theirs and that article is from several days ago. In general you are not reliable. link your claim.


    Post #923---5 days ago

    Post #926---5 days ago

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    this , the one I called out and TSA's hero, is going to hand the terrorists over to the feds


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