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    IMO it should have been

    1 MJ
    2 Wilt Chamberlain
    3 Magic
    4 Kobe
    5 Kareem
    6 Bill Russell
    7 Larry Bird
    8 Shaq
    9 Hakeem the Dream
    10 Oscar Robertson
    11 Jerry West
    12 Tim Duncan
    Curry at 23 though.

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    I still say these rankings are impossible unless you distinguish between peak value and career value. The problem is people are talking about two different things. If you're talking career value that is the ulative effort over a whole career. That has little to do with whether Olajuwon was unstoppable in the 1995 playoffs. Just make 2 lists and then you can have more meaningful debates.

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    http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/mic...y-nba-greatest

    I am not sure if these awful rankings deserve a new thread, but I think Benoit might be writing for SI

    Edit: Jack McCallum wrote this list and I used to think he was a decent writer but this may be one of the worst list I've ever seen. Here is how he ordered the top five Spurs all time:

    1. Timmy
    2. Ice
    3. D Rob
    4. Parker - he mentions him as a snub
    5. Manu- no mention at all

    The rest of the list is pretty awful. Walt Frazier ahead of Robinson?
    Last edited by SPURt; 02-09-2016 at 10:32 AM.

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    http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/mic...y-nba-greatest

    I am not sure if these awful rankings deserve a new thread, but I think Benoit might be writing for SI

    Edit: Jack McCallum wrote this list and I used to think he was a decent writer but this may be one of the worst list I've ever seen. Here is how he ordered the top five Spurs all time:

    1. Timmy
    2. Ice
    3. D Rob
    4. Parker - he mentions him as a snub
    5. Manu- no mention at all

    The rest of the list is pretty awful. Walt Frazier ahead of Robinson?
    Well. Lol

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    http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/mic...y-nba-greatest

    I am not sure if these awful rankings deserve a new thread, but I think Benoit might be writing for SI

    Edit: Jack McCallum wrote this list and I used to think he was a decent writer but this may be one of the worst list I've ever seen. Here is how he ordered the top five Spurs all time:

    1. Timmy
    2. Ice
    3. D Rob
    4. Parker - he mentions him as a snub
    5. Manu- no mention at all

    The rest of the list is pretty awful. Walt Frazier ahead of Robinson?
    Kind of a strange list, with a few idiosyncratic choices. See my earlier post about the need to have 2 lists, peak value and career value. This guy clearly does not make that distinction. How can you put Shaq that low unless you are penalizing him for having a somewhat shorter career? At other times he favors players who were less durable but had a great run.

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    Well I got #10 right in predicting how ESPN will pick them.

    How do expect to see them rank the top 10? I'll guess

    1. Jordan
    2. AIDS
    3. Wilt
    4. Kareem
    5. Russell
    6. Bird
    7. Duncan
    8. James
    9. O'Neal
    10. Olajuwon

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    IMO it should have been

    1 MJ
    2 Wilt Chamberlain
    3 Magic
    4 Kobe
    5 Kareem
    6 Bill Russell
    7 Larry Bird
    8 Shaq
    9 Hakeem the Dream
    10 Oscar Robertson
    11 Jerry West
    12 Tim Duncan
    try harder

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    LA fell asleep at the wheel, just like they did in 81.
    I thought that team was so-so. Magic had that huge injury he may have come back to soon from, then he just went Tragic against HOU. Magic was complaining to media about "jealous" teammates. Westhead drama could've been a factor plus the roster was retooled a little for 82 meaning maybe that 81 roster was a little subpar. Still 40-42 Rockets I guess there's no excuse for that

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    Kind of a strange list, with a few idiosyncratic choices. See my earlier post about the need to have 2 lists, peak value and career value. This guy clearly does not make that distinction. How can you put Shaq that low unless you are penalizing him for having a somewhat shorter career? At other times he favors players who were less durable but had a great run.
    I agree with your list about peak players which opens the door for guys like Grant Hill. I can't imagine either peak list or a body of work list that would place Walt Frazier over D Rob. Ole Jack seems to be having a senior moment.

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    Shaq's longevity gets underrated. Some people act like he was just extremely dominant for a few years and that's it...dude was dominant from when he came in the league in '92 up until 2005. That's 13 years - more than you'll see from guys like Bird or Magic. Granted Shaq had a good amount of years where he missed 15-20 games, but he was always healthy for the playoffs (where he absolutely dominated), so I don't dock him as much for that.

    Shaq is in my top 5, right behind Duncan at #4.

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    Well I got #10 right in predicting how ESPN will pick them.
    Now I'm 2 for 2


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    Wow, these heads ranked LeBron over Tim


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    Wow, these heads ranked LeBron over Tim

    Your really surprised by recency/hype bias?

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    Shaq's longevity gets underrated. Some people act like he was just extremely dominant for a few years and that's it...dude was dominant from when he came in the league in '92 up until 2005. That's 13 years - more than you'll see from guys like Bird or Magic. Granted Shaq had a good amount of years where he missed 15-20 games, but he was always healthy for the playoffs (where he absolutely dominated), so I don't dock him as much for that.

    Shaq is in my top 5, right behind Duncan at #4.
    Shaq has been swept multiple times during his prime while playing with multiple All-Stars.

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    I don't know, ranking LeBron ahead of TD isn't that blasphemous. I'd have TD over LBJ myself, but I don't think it's too far fetched to have LeBron ahead.

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    Your really surprised by recency/hype bias?
    Well the recency was this



    I am surprised, because ESPN has been ripping him a lot this year for being 2-4 in the Finals.

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    I don't know, ranking LeBron ahead of TD isn't that blasphemous. I'd have TD over LBJ myself, but I don't think it's too far fetched to have LeBron ahead.
    Yeah, James / Duncan / Bird is pretty arguable in any permutation. All three should be over Russell and under Jordan / AIDS / Abdul-Jabbar / Chamberlain.

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    dat troll is probably the tiest I saw on ST and that's saying a lot
    i'm sure he had great plans for it, but overplayed it too quickly...

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    Don't agree with Lebron over Duncan but I think they put him ahead for a few reasons. They factored in Lebron's MVP count which is ahead of Duncan and they must have been impressed by Lebron's 5 straight finals appearances. I think that's what did it for them.

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    Kareem, Jordan, Wilt, Bill, Magic that is all I put over Tim which would make him #6 but 8 isn't bad, there was going to be one contemporary high up (LBJ) and people love Bird so I am not gonna meltdown about it.

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    They put LeBron top 5

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    Their 6-10 illustration has Duncan, Bird, Russell, O'Neal, Olajuwon

    http://espn.go.com/nba/

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    I hope they rank LeBron over Kareem just to see the Laker fan butthurt

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    Yeah, James / Duncan / Bird is pretty arguable in any permutation. All three should be over Russell and under Jordan / AIDS / Abdul-Jabbar / Chamberlain.
    Can we all agree that Russell is pretty overrated? I mean, yeah he's got a lot of rings,but no way is he top 6 for me personally.

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