Boban... is he really a keeper?

[steeledl]

Thanks terrence. Thanks for pointing out how you are lazy and find that to be virtuous.

Hubris? I mean this entire thread is embarassing. Seriously do you talk like that in real life or is it a ploy you use to try to appear smart on the Internet and distract from the lack of content your soliloquys contain ?

[Chinook]

All it takes is one. Most (and again, this was not directed at you or this board; it was a general statement) thought they'd have to sacrifice Green, in addition to Splitter. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back, but I was one of the few who was steadfast that they'd find a way to keep Green. And it wasn't because I'm as knowledgeable about the cap as you or others, it was because when they want to keep people and they want to stay, they find a way to make it happen.

It might seem like semantics to you and others, but to Aldridge, it clearly matters whether he's the primary starter at center or not. They know this and I believe they have an understanding with him on this.

I wouldn't be surprised if West retires. In your scenario, where he doesn't and stays but Duncan does, I think they'd start Marjanovic over him. Duncan has started next to placeholder centers for a lot of his career, only for the so called third big to play as much or more and for Duncan to serve as the nominal center for the majority of his minutes. I think history would repeat itself.

Duncan and Ginobili are more than likely tethered together at this point and again, I think both will probably be back, which makes this whole thing moot.

This whole thing is probably moot, as I do think the Spurs will figure something out. But they've definitely had depleted positions before. We all know about how bad the wings were, how there was no decent back-up PG and how McDyess was the second-tallest Spur for a year. So it's not definite that the Spurs will get a center or that they won't play LMA there. If Boban stays at anything other than a couple of million, then I think he's almost forced into starting if the Spurs have only Diaw, rookies and scrap.

I really don't know about Duncan staying. As I said, I think it's strongly dependent on this season. The issue I've been stressing is that the Spurs will have the same limited flexibility whether Tim and Manu are on the team or not. That's what makes this off-season so interesting. So if the Spurs have multiple holes to fill and only the MLE to do it, that's when Boban staying is at it's shakiest.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You didn't make a point. You asserted that I said something without backing it up. I said you don't have credibility. If I said that the only reason why you would make that claim is because you didn't like me, then that's an ad homenim. When you make a claim that stands on your credibility, attacking that credibility is on topic. Had you posted evidence, then that would be a different story.



That's also not an ad homenim. Like did you even read the article you posted?



The team let go of a near-franchise-record number of players and would have had to let go of more if it weren't for an unanticipated e in the cap. Maybe you plan for random miracles to save your ass, but most of us don't. I have NEVER, EVER, FOREVER NEVER said the team can't resign Boban. They absolutely can. But the opportunity cost is higher than it's ever been for a guy of Marjanovic's caliber. It's not a clear-cut decision.

And I had no issue understand what the term meant. It's a lame name anyway.

dissemble much? I have TD21 to corroborate me.

I quoted the argument. You are attacking my character when you call me pedantic and not credible. It is what it is. Refer to the quote.

And unanticipated? You should say unanticipated by you. I clearly recall pointing out to you how the TV deal money was coming down the pipe.

Your halfassed scenarios are hardly a cost-benefit analysis. You bring up rookies that are immaterial, give no idea of what the market actually looks like or anything else. Instead we get this nebulous notion that we should try to get someone better becasue your worried. It's very similar to the sentiment you had towards trying for Aldridge last season.

And its not a name as much as as definition. You embody that term. You are a wet blanket.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hubris? I mean this entire thread is embarassing. Seriously do you talk like that in real life or is it a ploy you use to try to appear smart on the Internet and distract from the lack of content your soliloquys contain ?

you think hubris is a big word. yep I talk like this too. we obvioulsy hang around different circles. Where are you on chinook with him dropping tautology, telelogical, and the like. Your butthurt is showing. Don't worry, you embody the ethics I reject too.

[HarlemHeat37]

God you try so hard. Trying to compensate for something . r/Iamverysmart . Makes me cringe.

Bro, he used to be a High School girl's basketball coach, you can't with him..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think its hilarious that you think I have to try hard when its obvious from the fragments and misspellings that I don't really try hard at all.

Here's an idea: just because something is hard for you doesn't make it hard for everybody.

[TD 21]

This whole thing is probably moot, as I do think the Spurs will figure something out. But they've definitely had depleted positions before. We all know about how bad the wings were, how there was no decent back-up PG and how McDyess was the second-tallest Spur for a year. So it's not definite that the Spurs will get a center or that they won't play LMA there. If Boban stays at anything other than a couple of million, then I think he's almost forced into starting if the Spurs have only Diaw, rookies and scrap.

I really don't know about Duncan staying. As I said, I think it's strongly dependent on this season. The issue I've been stressing is that the Spurs will have the same limited flexibility whether Tim and Manu are on the team or not. That's what makes this off-season so interesting. So if the Spurs have multiple holes to fill and only the MLE to do it, that's when Boban staying is at it's shakiest.

Obviously, none of this is definite; it's just our opinions. But with stuff like this, my opinion is highly influenced by how I've seen the front office operate over the years.

I suspect Marjanovic ends up getting 2 years/$8-10M and that he'll essentially split backup center minutes behind Duncan, with Aldridge next season and do the same the following season behind Splitter.

You say multiple holes and limited flexibility, but if Duncan and Ginobili retire, find a clear better center than Marjanovic for the MLE. On the wings, they'd probably just go with Simmons, Anderson, Bertans and some random minimum type (possibly the 1st).

[steeledl]

you think hubris is a big word. yep I talk like this too. we obvioulsy hang around different circles. Where are you on chinook with him dropping tautology, telelogical, and the like. Your butthurt is showing. Don't worry, you embody the ethics I reject too.

It's not a big word....its just not used in conversation. Most of the "big words" you use are certainly not necessary in this setting but for some reason it gives you a sense of superiority. In reality it just screams insecurity and makes you look small.

[Chinook]

dissemble much? I have TD21 to corroborate me.

I think this is the last exchange for now, Fuzz, as I have to get home soon to watch the game. But I am glad I can cross 'dissemble' off my Fuzzy bingo card.

I quoted the argument. You are attacking my character when you call me pedantic and not credible. It is what it is. Refer to the quote.

Attacking your character isn't an ad homenim. Dismissing your argument solely because of your character is. You didn't bring evidence. That's why I can't actually talk about it. All we have to go on is your credibility, which is questionable.

And unanticipated? You should say unanticipated by you. I clearly recall pointing out to you how the TV deal money was coming down the pipe.

Again, no credibility. Show some evidence. And again, that's all accounted for the cap projections, hence why the project cap next year is $89 Million and at $108 Million in 2017. These are numbers everyone is operating on, as they are released by the league and NBPA. You're not smarter than everyone else. Get over it.

Your halfassed scenarios are hardly a cost-benefit analysis. You bring up rookies that are immaterial, give no idea of what the market actually looks like or anything else. Instead we get this nebulous notion that we should try to get someone better becasue your worried. It's very similar to the sentiment you had towards trying for Aldridge last season.

Lol, again, dude, you're not as smart as you think you are. You didn't say anything of substance. You agree rookies are "immaterial" but don't understand that that's why using the MLE on Boban is risky. And should the Spurs NOT try to get someone better than Boban? Do you think they would have signed LMA if they had your opinion?

And its not a name as much as as definition. You embody that term. You are a wet blanket.

Hasn't stopped being a lame name/insult.

Anyway, it was not really fun. But it did take the time away. I'll hit you up when I'm bored again.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not a big word....its just not used in conversation. Most of the "big words" you use are certainly not necessary in this setting but for some reason it gives you a sense of superiority. In reality it just screams insecurity and makes you look small.

What should I say instead of hubris? You don't argue that I use the word incorrectly or there is a better way to phrase it. Nope we jsut get the big word police. Looking small indeed.

Sorry I have no interest in talking like you. I am who I am. You don't like me but somehow I will have to figure out how to go on living.

[Chinook]

You say multiple holes and limited flexibility, but if Duncan and Ginobili retire, find a clear better center than Marjanovic for the MLE. On the wings, they'd probably just go with Simmons, Anderson, Bertans and some random minimum type (possibly the 1st).

The thing is that Boban takes up the MLE in that scenario, so you don't have that to find a better center. So you replace two HoFers with rookies or scrap. Boban has to be a more sure thing to warrant that. If he gets frozen out by match-ups the team will pretty much be SoL.

[steeledl]

Bro, he used to be a High School girl's basketball coach, you can't with him..

Get the out? English major couldn't find a job so he taught high school and coached girls basketball for a little extra scratch?

honestly would explain a lot .

[steeledl]

What should I say instead of hubris? You don't argue that I use the word incorrectly or there is a better way to phrase it. Nope we jsut get the big word police. Looking small indeed.

Sorry I have no interest in talking like you. I am who I am. You don't like me but somehow I will have to figure out how to go on living.

I doubt many people care for your presence if this is how you conduct yourself in real life...... But I doubt you do. Most people are uneducated on here and you try to exploit that . Sad , tbh.

[TD 21]

The thing is that Boban takes up the MLE in that scenario, so you don't have that to find a better center. So you replace two HoFers with rookies or scrap. Boban has to be a more sure thing to warrant that. If he gets frozen out by match-ups the team will pretty much be SoL.

I know, but what I'm asking is, could you find a clear better center for the MLE anyway? That will be chump change in this market, particularly for any decent center.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think this is the last exchange for now, Fuzz, as I have to get home soon to watch the game. But I am glad I can cross 'dissemble' off my Fuzzy bingo card.



Attacking your character isn't an ad homenim. Dismissing your argument solely because of your character is. You didn't bring evidence. That's why I can't actually talk about it. All we have to go on is your credibility, which is questionable.



Again, no credibility. Show some evidence. And again, that's all accounted for the cap projections, hence why the project cap next year is $89 Million and at $108 Million in 2017. These are numbers everyone is operating on, as they are released by the league and NBPA. You're not smarter than everyone else. Get over it.



Lol, again, dude, you're not as smart as you think you are. You didn't say anything of substance. You agree rookies are "immaterial" but don't understand that that's why using the MLE on Boban is risky. And should the Spurs NOT try to get someone better than Boban? Do you think they would have signed LMA if they had your opinion?



Hasn't stopped being a lame name/insult.

Anyway, it was not really fun. But it did take the time away. I'll hit you up when I'm bored again.

Attacking your character isn't an ad homenim.

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument

Your saying my word is no good because I have no credibility. My evidence is TD21 who corroborates me.

It's adorable you complaining about my word choice when you drop teleological and tautology as the core of your argument. Me saying dissemble and hubris is too much. . . in the age of the internet. . .

The scenarios you laid out discussed the impact of bringing in LJC, Bertans, and Milutinov and saying we have at best the MLE to do anything. You didn't present what other opportunities we had thus me saying no real cost benefit analysis. You don't claim what you did say but instead we get the blanket denial instead. This is particularly entertaining in light of your demands of evidence from me. Hypocrisy is like water on a duck to you.

Who is better than Boban that we can sign for the MLE to play the 5? Youre the one talking about opportunity cost. Thatis my central argument. I was very much so for clearing space and going for Gasol/Aldridge last year.

And of course its lame but that doesn't mean its not true.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I doubt many people care for your presence if this is how you conduct yourself in real life...... But I doubt you do. Most people are uneducated on here and you try to exploit that . Sad , tbh.

you should try harder.

We both know that you are mad because I coined the term nihilist dimwit after reading your takes for long enough. That's when you started coming at me with this .

Maybe I look small but there is no question that I make you feel small. Actions speak louder than words, chachi.

[steeledl]

you should try harder.

We both know that you are mad because I coined the term nihilist dimwit after reading your takes for long enough. That's when you started coming at me with this .

Maybe I look small but there is no question that I make you feel small. Actions speak louder than words, chachi.

The fact that you honestly believe this is evidence of everything I've said about you. That is your agenda..... But it doesn't work with me. I'm also educated just not petty and insecure.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The fact that you honestly believe this is evidence of everything I've said about you. That is your agenda..... But it doesn't work with me. I'm also educated just not petty and insecure.

It's cute that you claim to be educated but instead are saying this for the benefit of others. you martyr you.

You sure on intent on making it all about me. Carry on but I find this entire thing vanity. if you want to discuss the team then great but I'm done with this.

[dabom]

Fuzzy winning this argument tbh. Even though he is a jackass some times.

[DMC]

I think its hilarious that you think I have to try hard when its obvious from the fragments and misspellings that I don't really try hard at all.

Here's an idea: just because something is hard for you doesn't make it hard for everybody.

You're a 2 dollar in a 10 dollar dress.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're a 2 dollar in a 10 dollar dress.

It's entertaining. My entire schtick is about acting haughty and pedantic to bring out insecure people. Intelligent people actually argue on merit and don't get into this petty namecalling. Nice misogyny though. You sure got me!

While you guys say I'm not as smart as I think I am what its really about is you don't want me more intelligent than you. It's why you cannot admit when your wrong and act like you accomplished something when I admit a mistake. Actions speak louder than words.

So Boban gets minutes in the first three quarters for three out of last four games. DMC's take: Boban only gets minutes in garbage time.

Boban frustrates Whiteside by leaning on him for a couple quarters so he lashes out with a cheap shot. DMC's take: Boban plays small.

[dabom]

I'm on the heat boards and they all admit Boban took hassan's cookies. Daylight robbery and .

[SAGirl]

Wow, this went by the wayside. Some interesting points. TD returning is all just opinion and speculation by all of us of course. Personally I think it's the knee. Regardless how the season goes.

I am going to be bold. LMA, Kawhi and Danny, combined with an assortment of other bench players, in fact different guys every night, have come forward with terrific games. Patty, Kyle, Simmons have all had good games making plays that turned the tides. The team still moves the ball, and has gotten a good ratio of assists. In fact Tony has been poor during this stretch and we still have won. This Spurs team is hardly a team you walk away from while you can play. So the end result of the season doesn't matter, just that the problem for Timmy is the knees.

That said, Boban has been serviceable in this stretch. He has a niche. That will likely have value to other teams as well. So he will be expensive to keep, but I now think he will be kept. Had he failed badly in this stretch w/o Timmy I would have doubted him more. I missed much of his play against Whiteside this game though, but he's been able to stay on the floor and like Manu says, Pop doesn't give gifts. He's earned his chances.

We might be cash strapped but we have a talented team already. If Timmy and Manu retire we already have stars to take most of the burden and a solid support cast.

I think w/o TD or with TD reduced role and minutes we have guys who have stepped in already and we may end up playing a different style with more stretch forwards, and then you have Boban situationally.

At least this is how it looks right now.

[steeledl]

It's entertaining. My entire schtick is about acting haughty and pedantic to bring out insecure people. Intelligent people actually argue on merit and don't get into this petty namecalling. Nice misogyny though. You sure got me!

While you guys say I'm not as smart as I think I am what its really about is you don't want me more intelligent than you. It's why you cannot admit when your wrong and act like you accomplished something when I admit a mistake. Actions speak louder than words.

So Boban gets minutes in the first three quarters for three out of last four games. DMC's take: Boban only gets minutes in garbage time.

Boban frustrates Whiteside by leaning on him for a couple quarters so he lashes out with a cheap shot. DMC's take: Boban plays small.

Hahaha... you can not be this much of a ing tool.... it's just not possible. Have to be a troll.


Anyways, anecdotal evidence= Im right. Good bruh. You are bringing the goods. We agreed Boban is a situation big and this was a good spot for him. Whiteside isn't going to challenge him with his offensive game or be able to punish him with the PnR like all the real compe ion in the league will. These were the issues.....tonight is hardly worth beating your chest about. Whatever though, he played pretty well in a game that was better suited for him... that's good.


Btw, you are a moron.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you weren't acting out my supporting points you might be convincing.