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Dwade is up there imo, but got damn Leonards post game is like an 18 year old tanned eastern Euro chic or North African chick...My God its gorgeous.
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I really don't get this new version of Apa. Is he evolving into a new form like a Pokemon or wha?
3rd world coming out in that thread le
Are you gay?
We all said MJ. Well only a couple of us that had the guts.
I agree, and it's unfortunate we're not in '10 where a wing post-up offense could work like it once did.
I'm more excited about the ongoing development of Kawhi's dribble drive game. He's taken another step there.
Trends are ing stupid. Thats what you and any other trying to be cute poster will never understand.
2016 and still works for him and the Spurs this season.
Winslow is a great defender but Kawi made him look really bad in the post.
Agree. We don't see it very often but his drives against Mavs and Lakers looked good, showed pretty nice improvements.I'm more excited about the ongoing development of Kawhi's dribble drive game. He's taken another step there.
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I thought you were all about modernity? Post play is all but pretty much dead. Bigs rarely even do it anymore, Tim included. It's about spacing, spacing, spacing now. I had hope the Spurs would shift the paradigm again, but the Warriors pounding us by 30 was a wake up call (unless you're of the mindset Pop threw the game).
Defenses are too quick, long, and schemes are too sophisticated.
I don't wish it was this way. If this Spurs team existed just a decade ago, they'd probably easily win 70 games and cruise to the le.
It sucks, but if you want this team to hoist the O'Brien in the Kawhi era, he's going to need to become a threat off the dribble. Also getting another penetrating wing wouldn't hurt.
Maybe we'll do the improbable and grit-and-grind the Warriors out of the playoffs, but I'm not betting on it.
The game looks gorgeous, but there is a nostalgia tugging at a generation raised on the shoulder-shaking artistry of Kevin McHale, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Michael Jordan: Has the league inadvertently killed the back-to-the-basket game?
“We are losing a part of our sport,” Jason Kidd says.
“The game is getting out of balance,” says George Karl, now coaching perhaps the league’s preeminent post-up brute. “But until we figure out a way to make the post-up more efficient, we’re not going back. You just can’t win throwing the ball into the post 60 times per game.”
Some fine print . Never wrong.
We are watching a lot of Diaw, LMA and Kawhi in the post, this season. Pop finds in the post-ups another way to slow the pace.
But sure, the Spurs bigs "rarely" post...
Also, it seems very stupid to think we can match Dubs at their game, we need to find our own way.
So what? It still won't thrive as an overall team offensive strategy in today's game.
Read this article:Even in a league moving away from the post-up as a vehicle for scoring, these four stood out in the regular season as relatively post-averse.1 This is the NBA’s engineered crescendo — the culmination of rule changes that made the drive-and-kick game unguardable, and the hand-in-hand rise of analytics-oriented teams that understood how to exploit that new ecosystem. The ban on hand-checking unleashed speedy ball-handlers. Legalizing zone-style defense has made every post entry pass an adventure in needle-threading.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we...u-its-rebirth/
And I know this was the article Apa was thinking about when he talked about "trends," but Lowe's article was written before the Warriors won the championship on the back of Wardell's 3 point shooting. Yes, Draymond was able to use his post game in that series to great effect. But the difference is Draymond is a center/PF, so he'll typically receive the ball on the low-block, much closer to where a post-centric wing player like Kawhi, Kobe, etc receive it (typically 12 feet away and more) the ball. Draymond will produce a layup/3 foot hook shot from the post. Kawhi, Kobe produce mid-range jumpers. Huge difference. And if you try to force Kawhi down into the low block, you kill spacing.
And before the 30 point stomping, I thought maybe the Spurs could shift the winds again. Nope. Pace and Space is here to stay.
Trust me, I don't want it to be this way. If basketball was played like it still was in the mid-00's, Kawhi is probably the clear cut best player in the league right now. But those rule changes made the Warriors' style of play the most effective, unfortunately. Imagine Kawhi on Curry if he were allowed to hand-checkGG, Wardell.
He has one move, the KG fadeaway.
What makes you think post play is antiquated? Did you even watch atlanta last year?
Post play is a killer modern day basketball tool with the right off ball personel and off ball movement.
You dont follow trends. You build around your strenghts and hide your weakness. Basketball 101
I'm talking league wide. We're like the only good team who posts up with any meaningful frequency. Yeah, 44-8 is awesome, and this is actually one of the best Spurs teams I've ever seen. They might even beat the vaunted 2014 squad in a series. But the Warriors exist, and if your goal is winning a le, your "way" has to be the best way. Ours isn't. The Warriors is. It helps that they're younger and their entire core is at that magical 25-27 age when players typically peak, so maybe we're just unlucky in that regard, but there style is also superior vis a vis the modern game.
No, I watched 2 teams that play pace and space compete for the NBA le.
And the dribble drive game isn't a weakness for the Spurs. Parker is still a top penetrator. Manu is still effective (pray he's healthy in April). And when Kawhi commits, they can't keep him out of the paint. Simmons is also coming along, but I can't trust him to deliver in a playoff series, so he's a big question mark right now. The only weakness is our 3 point shooting volume (our percentage is good, but we don't score enough from there). And you can mask that with creating high percentage shots from penetration. Wing post play isn't efficient enough to win today. Even peak Kobe never broke 46% shooting.
But go ahead and gloss over what the entire NBA community is saying because you have this idea of Kawhi being force fed in the post Kobe style so that he can average a pretty PPG.
Again, I wish it could be. I'd love to see a post-centric Kawhi offense dominate, with Kawhi doing his best Jordan impression from there, but it won't win. Wardell ball is the winning formula.
Yes, I would be totally wrong if the Spurs beat the Warriors with old-school type of basketball. , I'd love to see it. As much as fans of the modern game make fun of the hand-check era, its removal has turned NBA basketball into something that more resembles And-1. And I'm a fan of the modern game, but we might be reaching critical mass with pace and space. Just like the rules eventually made 90's ball into an unwatchable grind fest, today's rules are making basketball look like a video game. Moreyball is how kids used to typically play basketball video games, and now it's become the dominant NBA offensive strategySome fine print . Never wrong.
Who said anything about force feeding? You're really trying to be cute here bro
The 3 second rule I hate. This gives the perimeter player more space and hurts the defensive impact of players( mostly Cs and PFs). I don't wanna go into detail but that's what it causes.Yes, I would be totally wrong if the Spurs beat the Warriors with old-school type of basketball. , I'd love to see it. As much as fans of the modern game make fun of the hand-check era, its removal has turned NBA basketball into something that more resembles And-1. And I'm a fan of the modern game, but we might be reaching critical mass with pace and space. Just like the rules eventually made 90's ball into an unwatchable grind fest, today's rules are making basketball look like a video game. Moreyball is how kids used to typically play basketball video games, and now it's become the dominant NBA offensive strategy
Also the 5 second rule when posting up. This is ing up bigs big time.
Well, it seems you're implying that you want Kawhi used like Jordan and Kobe were. I agree Kawhi is a great wing post-player, but it's not a winning team formula. Kawhi's shot attempts should be balanced with drives and 3 point shots, and more drives the better in my opinion, since it's a higher percentage situation than a fadeway 15 footer from the high post.
Now if Pop starts using Kawhi more as a 4 in small ball, then I agree his post opportunities should increase, since he'll get the ball on the low block.
So apa is a lakers fan. Non-shocker of the year. Explains 99% of his posts, too.
I was trying to remember your got self like 20 mins ago. Forgot your name. You need to post a "LMA trending up(green arrow)"
Yep, and guess when these rule were passed?
Following the Spurs and Pistons (two defensive minded, "boring teams," playing in relatively small markets) les. It's why the D'Antoni Suns suddenly became a top team in '05 and were the love of the NBA media. I'm glad we threw it their faces and rang twice more, but those rule changes probably cost the Spurs a couple of les (the '06 Mavs don't win 63 games under the old rules). Their defense became too dominant, the NBA "had to do something."2004-05
• New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game.
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