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    So what? It still won't thrive as an overall team offensive strategy in today's game.



    Read this article:

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we...u-its-rebirth/

    And I know this was the article Apa was thinking about when he talked about "trends," but Lowe's article was written before the Warriors won the championship on the back of Wardell's 3 point shooting. Yes, Draymond was able to use his post game in that series to great effect. But the difference is Draymond is a center/PF, so he'll typically receive the ball on the low-block, much closer to where a post-centric wing player like Kawhi, Kobe, etc receive it (typically 12 feet away and more) the ball. Draymond will produce a layup/3 foot hook shot from the post. Kawhi, Kobe produce mid-range jumpers. Huge difference. And if you try to force Kawhi down into the low block, you kill spacing.

    And before the 30 point stomping, I thought maybe the Spurs could shift the winds again. Nope. Pace and Space is here to stay.

    Trust me, I don't want it to be this way. If basketball was played like it still was in the mid-00's, Kawhi is probably the clear cut best player in the league right now. But those rule changes made the Warriors' style of play the most effective, unfortunately. Imagine Kawhi on Curry if he were allowed to hand-check GG, Wardell.
    you sound a bit shook by that s acking,tbf..Wouldn't be more judicious if you give it a couple more regular season games , if we get drilled like that or near it, i would agree with you that the Spurs are mortally over-matched against them (we are unquestionably in certain areas (PG with Parker/Mills), but Spurs couldn't pack their punch and just descended into comedy of TOs from the tip while Curry video-gamely torched us)...

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    Kinda knew around the time. ing NBA needs to take it out already.

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    you sound a bit shook by that s acking,tbf..Wouldn't be more judicious if you give it a couple more regular season games , if we get drilled like that or near it, i would agree with you that the Spurs are mortally over-matched against them (we are unquestionably in certain areas (PG with Parker/Mills), but Spurs couldn't pack their punch and just descended into comedy of TOs from the tip while Curry video-gamely torched us)...
    Yeah, it was a confidence killer. We'll see. I might be wrong. The Spurs owned the Warriors last season, so we know they can play with them, which is why that beatdown was so odd. It just made me think the Warriors can reach a gear we haven't seen, especially since that win came on the heels of their drubbing of the Cavs.

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    Yeah, it was a confidence killer. We'll see. I might be wrong. The Spurs owned the Warriors last season, so we know they can play with them, which is why that beatdown was so odd. It just made me think the Warriors can reach a gear we haven't seen, especially since that win came on the heels of their drubbing of the Cavs.
    I too, wouldn't put so much stock in one regular season game. Our guys had pretty bad nerves as evidenced by the fact that they couldn't catch the ball.

    If the process repeats at home, then it's worrying. If we lose by less than 10 on our home court, I won't be too worried -- the playoffs are a completely different type of basketball. GSW will still be terrifying to meet in the playoffs but we've beaten great teams before.

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    Yeah, it was a confidence killer. We'll see. I might be wrong. The Spurs owned the Warriors last season, so we know they can play with them, which is why that beatdown was so odd. It just made me think the Warriors can reach a gear we haven't seen, especially since that win came on the heels of their drubbing of the Cavs.
    I think the key difference in the Warriors this year and last is the improvement of Curry. Curry this year is unstoppable.

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    Also, it seems very stupid to think we can match Dubs at their game, we need to find our own way.
    Rockets Ariza was as if, and until he started trying to double in stephon the game was very close (if only duert could make your free throws as when playing against SAS)

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    Gotta agree with you. Kawhi's post game is special now. He's not as naturally offensively gifted like Kobe and Wade were, but gotta give credit to Kawhi on improving greatly on the offensive end.

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    I too, wouldn't put so much stock in one regular season game. Our guys had pretty bad nerves as evidenced by the fact that they couldn't catch the ball.

    If the process repeats at home, then it's worrying. If we lose by less than 10 on our home court, I won't be too worried -- the playoffs are a completely different type of basketball. GSW will still be terrifying to meet in the playoffs but we've beaten great teams before.
    I hope you're right, but so far our players were killed in screens very easily, and against illegal screens GSW with their ridiculous shooters this is suicide, is not an encouraging scenario

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    K's postup game on one is great, but next step is to make them pay when double-teaming

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    You have the rule changes and then you have the refs' inability to force these kind of teams into playing more into the rules.
    I'm still curious to see how the Warriors would look if they were forced to execute proper screens and hold back the contact on defense.

    Back when the Suns were the trend they could still be contained by making them pay because there was always a trade off playing that style of BB. I still don't know why they don't seem to pay for any shortcomings in their style.

    Rules aside, they shoot 3s like they are 2s, and they can hit them with small space and short time.
    In any era, that would be hard enough to beat.

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    meta sucks. curry too OP. nerf plz.

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    Gotta agree with you. Kawhi's post game is special now. He's not as naturally offensively gifted like Kobe and Wade were, but gotta give credit to Kawhi on improving greatly on the offensive end.
    Yup. Dude never had the all-time great's talents, it was hardwork.

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    RAMON FERNANDEZ OF THE PHILIPPINES HAS THE MOST ELEGANT POST UP GAME IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL!!!

    NO ONE IS EVEN CLOSE.................

    not even jesus

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    so jesus is simply satan in disguise:

    the laughing stock of Western civilization is that western civilization is built on a ing lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    the anal game of satan/jesus is the most elegant game ever, hahahahaha:


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    Gotta agree with you. Kawhi's post game is special now. He's not as naturally offensively gifted like Kobe and Wade were, but gotta give credit to Kawhi on improving greatly on the offensive end.
    Kawhi has major issues in posting up players who are bigger and stronger than him (Lebron and Mathews were the latest pests whom I remember well) who easily make his post up game plan pretty predictable - fade away shooting, but not driving or getting closer to basket for a double team. I wish our guy could gain extra lean muscle and +100 lbs in bench press

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    I hope you're right, but so far our players were killed in screens very easily, and against illegal screens GSW with their ridiculous shooters this is suicide, is not an encouraging scenario
    Again, the playoffs are a different animal. The Spurs D is vaunted, and we foul less than anyone. Slow the pace of the game down, and it allows our guys to key on their sets for Curry.

    Also, don't forget that we have the best coach in the league. If he sees us getting killed on terrible screen setting, you can bet he'll take it up with the league (not publicly, of course). He'll also probably have our guys start fighting really aggressively to get through them if it doesn't stop.

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    Kawhi has major issues in posting up players who are bigger and stronger than him (Lebron and Mathews were the latest pests whom I remember well) who easily make his post up game plan pretty predictable - fade away shooting, but not driving or getting closer to basket for a double team. I wish our guy could gain extra lean muscle and +100 lbs in bench press
    Well, that was one of the major improvements in Kawhi's post up game, opponents' size don't bother him that much like in the past years.

    If you watched the last games against Cavs and Mavs, Kawhi did a really good job posting up LeBron and Mathews. Against Cavs, especially, one move in the first half, rim-out but it was a fantastic post-up move, then he scored in other, but the one he missed was the best move.

    About Mathews, he isn't bigger/stronger than Kawhi, even last year, when our guy returned from his hand-injury, his post-up game looked so effective against him.

    I wouldn't wait that Kawhi gain extra pounds/muscle, it's pretty obvious that you don't play him posting up PF/C, he'll spend a lot of energy trying to gain position against those guys. But he has a matchup advantage in the post against most SFs in the league. And that's all the Spurs need.

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    I'm talking league wide. We're like the only good team who posts up with any meaningful frequency. Yeah, 44-8 is awesome, and this is actually one of the best Spurs teams I've ever seen. They might even beat the vaunted 2014 squad in a series. But the Warriors exist, and if your goal is winning a le, your "way" has to be the best way. Ours isn't. The Warriors is. It helps that they're younger and their entire core is at that magical 25-27 age when players typically peak, so maybe we're just unlucky in that regard, but there style is also superior vis a vis the modern game.
    If Warriors would have our strong SF/PFs and PG/C starters over 34, instead of their young killers from 3's...Do you think they would play the same way? No.

    Like others said, you have to play your strenghts and minimize your weaknesses.
    The Spurs can't play like a team they are not. They aren't the Warriors, they aren't that young team who can run and make space for their shooters.

    We have some old guys, we can't rely on our icy-hot shooters...but we have the best frontcourt in the league, so they're exploiting that advantage.
    Also, we have a ton of good mid-range shooters so they take those shoots too.

    Yep. You're reading correctly, post-ups and mid-range js, the old way.

    If the Spurs can beat them playing that way...who knows. After all, a regular game isn't going to define their playoffs series.

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    Rockets Ariza was as if, and until he started trying to double in stephon the game was very close (if only duert could make your free throws as when playing against SAS)

    do you even English bro?

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    Kawhi has major issues in posting up players who are bigger and stronger than him (Lebron and Mathews were the latest pests whom I remember well) who easily make his post up game plan pretty predictable - fade away shooting, but not driving or getting closer to basket for a double team. I wish our guy could gain extra lean muscle and +100 lbs in bench press
    Lol. Please stop posting.

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    If you watched the last games against Cavs and Mavs, Kawhi did a really good job posting up LeBron and Mathews. Against Cavs, especially, one move in the first half, rim-out but it was a fantastic post-up move, then he scored in other, but the one he missed was the best move.

    About Mathews, he isn't bigger/stronger than Kawhi, even last year, when our guy returned from his hand-injury, his post-up game looked so effective against him.

    I wouldn't wait that Kawhi gain extra pounds/muscle, it's pretty obvious that you don't play him posting up PF/C, he'll spend a lot of energy trying to gain position against those guys. But he has a matchup advantage in the post against most SFs in the league. And that's all the Spurs need.
    I don't know man, I watch every spurs game, last game in Cleveland he had 2 postups against Lebron, the rest were against Shump, Smith or Jefferson. I didn't see his usual "sexy" posting up there at all. The prelast game against Dallas he failed to get positive outcome from the postup on Mathews on 2 or 3 CONSECUTIVE possessions. He just couldn't move him deeper in the zone. Though he was better last time in Dallas. Kawhi needs more power to win in the post against Lebron and Iggy.

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    Lol. Please stop posting.
    any arguments, Vinny?

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    Kawhi has major issues in posting up players who are bigger and stronger than him (Lebron and Mathews were the latest pests whom I remember well) who easily make his post up game plan pretty predictable - fade away shooting, but not driving or getting closer to basket for a double team. I wish our guy could gain extra lean muscle and +100 lbs in bench press
    Good post

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