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Duncan > Kobe
Nothing else matters
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Highlights:
1. 1- MJ, 2-Kareem, 3- Wilt, 4-Magic 5-LeBron
2. Bird 7th, Duncan 10th, Kobe 12th (again)
3. Moses 14th, Shaq 15th Hakeem 16th, Malone 17th
4. Chuck 20th, Wade 25th, Gervin 26th, Robinson 28th
5. Isiah 29th, Stockton 30th, Curry 31st, KG 34th and Dirk 37th
This writer is well known and voted on the original NBA top 50 greatest this article is how he would update that 50 and his order ...discuss.
Did he do better than ESPN?
Does the fact another major media outlet that has Duncan over Kobe, Magic over Bird, Mj over Kareem, Isiah over Stockton end or at least influences those debates?
Duncan > Kobe
Nothing else matters
12th again
Not that it matters in the end, but why is Bird always still ahead of Duncan?
to you, apparently.
I already conceded that, btw.
Just thought another perspective was good.
Puzzling. I get the impact on the league. he also had a peak that was otherwordly. But he never repeated despite having HOF team-mates ...I know Duncan hasnt and had the better coach but I would put Duncan over Bird too.
I could live with Duncan over Bird (given how great Duncan has been and his longevity); but are you really acting like there's no justification for arguably the GOAT player to be ahead of Duncan?
The legend of 12 grows.
His top 10 is a little funky. I think putting west and the big o inside the top 10 is kind of ridiculous. Also a little crazy that he has Shaq and Hakeem so low. He seems to have a clear bias towards old time players imo
Larry is the Legend ...
But GOAT? Nah.
Jordan ended that.
LeBron with another ring probably knock him out of GOAT SF as well ...and some lists like these have already done that.
Of course you can make an argument for Bird over Timmy. or Timmy over bird. or Bird over Tim. It's just rankings.
This is one person's list. Everyone here could have a list. If we collectively decided on it and we were a spattering of fans from all NBA teams and we all knew a lot about each player, that would be more legit. This is SI's way of trying to keep up. This and sending me magazines I didn't order.
Yeah rankings are unimportant. Let's ignore 12 now.
nah
Fair points. But EL if you never saw those old guys wouldnt you have bias towards more recent players?
That is why I don't include Oscar, Dill, West etc on my personal list. I bet I am older than you and I never saw them play.
But I would trust him who did see most of those guys play ...over guys that ONLY use metrics and started watching the NBA in jordan era or later. How can they properly rate Kareem?
Dumbass. Who just posted a rankings where Kobe is 12th. Did I have to do that? I did n ot say ignore them. it's just rankings it's a topic of conversation with no games on ...
We had ESPN now we have SI that has Kobe 12th. Two major ins utions. My point was not to get hung up on where but discuss why you agree or don't ...
Stop being ing dense people are actually talking hoops, here. Save the internet brawls for Cully or Kool.
That list is almost as bad
I really do hate comparing players across generations like that. It was such a different game then than it is now. I never watched them true, but they are not putting up those gaudy numbers in today's league. Russell isn't winning all of those les in today's league. I mean put Shaq in the 1960s where he can just camp out under the hoop and I imagine he can drop 100 as well and put up numbers like wilt did.
12 has caused you to start a leveling campaign.
12
Ok, that was funny.
I get what you are saying but I bet 75% of this forum knows about hoops pre-jordan era ...and I bet a great deal only know the NBA from the 90's on.
You are right it's just one writer but a well respected one who I have been reading since I was a shorty. He also places Duncan over Kobe and has Kobe 12th. He definitely has more credibility to me than the ESPN list ...some of those writers are jordan era writers too.
How is this leveling? he is 12th in both lists ...that doesnt make any sense, DMC.
Bird beat Jordan 14 straight times. The idea that MJ is a consensual GOAT is a media contraption. And Lebron is not better than Bird; no way, no how.
All lists are to El's point tough to rank across generations but you play the schedule in front of you ...
"It's just ranking"
You mean consensus but I get your point. It's not a consensus Some old timers will argue Kareem or Wilt over MJ ... and I promise you if Lebron had two more rings there would be plenty that would argue he was the GOAT already. Especially the metrics guys.
Above that I just said i give credit to this guy because I know he has been following the game for a number of years. Still dont see how this levels anything it's further validation of "12".
I thought you would find joy but you are like Mulder looking for a conspiracy that is not there. Instead of chasing aliens and looking for the fiends on the grassy knoll why dont you go home and bang Scully?
You're in desperation mode now. Keep that leveling going. Eventually maybe you'll create the impression that there is no spoon.
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