Watching playoff Tim, LMA, and Kawhi is going to be so fun this year. Splitter was playing great d on LMA two years and that was still making ridiculously difficult shots. I remember being impressed.
Reminds me of a certain PG tbh.
Watching playoff Tim, LMA, and Kawhi is going to be so fun this year. Splitter was playing great d on LMA two years and that was still making ridiculously difficult shots. I remember being impressed.
If you look at the last two times the spurs got to the finals Kawhi played better every round. As the stage got bigger so did his game most guys go the opposite. And two of his best series came in the finals against the best player in the world at the time. Is it really that hard to understand why people are less worried about Kawhi then LMA, who has never been able to even get to a WCF much less a finals. And Kawhi has already been to 2 finals and 3 WCF at age 24. Not to mention that rockets team was the perfect team to for LMA to go off against who was guarding him ing t jones and dwert lol.
stop, bro..
Do you want me to post Aldridge's career playoff performances? He's not a good playoff performer, at all..his only notable playoff series was against one of the worst defensive PFs in the NBA(Terrence Jones)..his series vs. Memphis, last year, was one of the worst you'll ever see for a star player..
Hopefully Aldridge steps up in the playoffs, this year, since he will have much less pressure than he did in Portland, from a load standpoint..as I said earlier, it's good that he is focused on the playoffs, rather than worrying about Lillard's billboards..
Kawhi only good series came against lebron who's primary defensive target was the MVP two years running. If you want to talk about how easy it was to go off.. Lebrons defense has led to two consecutive finals MVP's. With that being said.. give me Kawhis career playoff averages and compare them to lma. Kawhi, being on the better team, better coach, better system and with better role players. As far as how far they go. Kawhi doesn't lead those Portland teams to the wcf. Not even close.
Post lma and kawhis.
Your missing the entire point im not saying Kawhi was the better player then LMA 2 years ago. But he has shown he can come up on the big stage LMA hasn't its that simple. He has been a career choker besides one series.
You responded to my point, which was a comparison of Kawhi and lma and the different lights shown on them. I responded straight to your comments of suggesting Kawhi comes up big. Statistically he doesn't show that. So let's go to what people criticize about lma, which is who he plays good against. Kawhi played horrible against Barnes.. a defensive minded player and played good against someone who is known for letting his man look better than they are with his lack of effort on the defensive side.
The point is, people are way more critical of other players such as lma even though they carried much worse teams and gave a better performance statistical wise than Kawhi ever has in the playoffs. But.. Kawhi isn't a choker because he "might " be better next time? Horrible argument.
This year will be lma first time with a contender. When/if he doesn't show up this year, then those claims can be made of him being a choker. Spurs didn't sell the farm for him because he wasn't a big time player. I'll trust the best front office in the league over fans. That's just me.
Kawhi last year
2014-15 23 SAS NBA SF 7 7 35.7 7.4 15.6 .477 1.6 3.7 .423 5.9 11.9 .494 .528 3.9 5.0 .771 1.9 5.6 7.4 2.6 1.1 0.6 2.1 2.6 20.3
Aldridge
2014-15 29 POR NBA PF 5 5 41.6 7.4 22.4 .330 0.6 2.2 .273 6.8 20.2 .337 .344 6.4 7.2 .889 4.2 7.0 11.2 1.8 0.4 2.4 1.6 3.2 21.8
So they put up similar numbers except Kawhi was way more efficient.
And here is the final numbers incase you were wondering
Kawhi: Kawhi 2 appearances 1 ring 1 FMVP
Averages in those finals 16.3/8.3/1.6 on great efficiency
Aldridge: 0 appearances
0/0/0
there you go![]()
Those portland teams were contenders and when they needed the best player on the team to step up being LMA he folded. And in our two biggest games this year he has been a complete no show.
And are you really trying to compare the PPG averages of a 21 year old kawhi with the system not centered around him compared to a prime LMA where the system was set up exactly for him...
Last year is the only year where its even somewhat fair based on usage rate to make that comparison and Kawhi was obviously the superior player even though they both got booted in the first round which is what really matters.... but Kawhi is 24 and improving and has already won a ring so of course he gets the benefit of the doubt he has been there and done that LMA hasn't.
When Kiwi s want you to believe that Aldridge is a bad playoff performer... But still has better numbers than Kiwi
Aldridge as the first option/leading scorer = 2nd round exit
Kiwi as the first option/leading scorer = 1st round fishing trip
Oh now he's a 21 yr old with no system, but at other times he's the alpha who's the greatest since tim Duncan?
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Kawhi last year
2014-15 23 SAS NBA SF 7 7 35.7 7.4 15.6 .477 1.6 3.7 .423 5.9 11.9 .494 .528 3.9 5.0 .771 1.9 5.6 7.4 2.6 1.1 0.6 2.1 2.6 20.3
Aldridge
2014-15 29 POR NBA PF 5 5 41.6 7.4 22.4 .330 0.6 2.2 .273 6.8 20.2 .337 .344 6.4 7.2 .889 4.2 7.0 11.2 1.8 0.4 2.4 1.6
How are those better numbers? 37% fg our boy LMA making Kobe envious with that type of performance.
"Kawhi last year"
lol first round exit
Please he was in a great system but he wasn't the center of that system. And When did i ever say that nice strawman.
Same poster that calls someone Choke paul and cp0 giving LMA a pass for the same thing.![]()
You can't directly compare their numbers, since they have been in different roles on their respective teams, but here's how they do in the playoffs compared to their regular season production:
Kawhi career averages in the playoffs(Regular Season in parenthesis): 18.3 PER(20.1), 60.4% TS(59.2%), .179 WS/48(.203), 5.4 BPM(5.6)
Aldridge career average in the playoffs(RS): 19 PER(20.3), 49.4 TS%(53.3%), 0.69 WS/48(.149), -1.5 BPM
(1.2)
Kawhi's production remains steady compared to his RS output, which is standard for good/great playoff performers, since you're playing vs. superior compe ion..
Aldridge's playoff production falls off a cliff compared to his RS output in virtually every facet of basketball..also, I'm not sure if you can find a less efficient big man with worse impact and efficiency numbers than Aldridge in recent playoff history(among All-Star caliber bigs)..hopefully that changes with the Spurs..
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Dont try to use Advanced stats and Efficiency numbers they cant comprehend them, All they see is raw PPG. They have failed to advance with the times.
I ain't giving anybody a passjust don't pretend like this didn't happen...
I am not going to defend LMA for his rather mediocre playoffs performance so far, but i just think Kawhi has always been in a way better position to succeed than LMA.
Kawhi has not been the focal point of the team in neither of all his playoffs appearences aside of maybe the last one, where he was as mediocre as LMA has been overall in portland, other than that he always shared the court with at least 2 more players far more experienced, battle tested, respected by the refs and opposing coached than him, which puts him in a position to excel.
On the other hand LMA has always been the focal and sometimes only point of his team during his stint in Portland, he never had ANY player as battle tested and effective as Duncan or Ginobili which are not only great players but leaders and pressure pumps for any player, nor a team that didnīt need him to score at least 30 on every night.
So i am not trying to say that Kawhi success should be overlooked, just that what KL has done depended a lot on the team around him, just as LMA failure also depended a lot on the team around him.
Comparing both is pointless.
_6 part of your name. Apo is the same. Must have confused the two.
People compare Kawhi and lma, then compare them all the way, not just when irs convenient. Lma has not won a ring. There are many players who have not won a ring. Does not make them bad playoff performers. Pop wouldn't go for a guy who was easy to defend. When the spurs played the blazers, lma was all they were concerned about and he still got his.
I think Kawhi and lma are a great future for the spurs. I think this year will tell a lot about both of them in the playoffs. Lma has never been on a contender in Portland. People often joke on this forum how they were the best pretender for the longest time.
Lma responded better than any other spur to those losses. He hasn't shown a reason to doubt him.
Im not ill be the first one to admit that Kawhi ing blew it the those last 2 game against the clips, but everyone not named Tim Duncan was a no show. As for 2013 i was more disappointed in the 4 time NBA champion missing the freebie right before a 21 year old Leonard did. And Leonard had a great overall series that finals also averaging a double-double.
No it makes them guys who were unable to deliver when it mattered most. Sure but you have to put context into it. Last year was the only year that LMA and Kawhi's usage% was similar in the playoffs and Kawhi had the much better numbers.
And on your point in LMA he has played better of late But against the other 3 contenders. OKC,GS, and CLE he has been a no show or out performed by his counter part. So until he proves me wrong which i hope he does, there is no evidence in his NBA career to show he can deliver in the big moment. Even in POR it was lillard who clinched the series not LMA.
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