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    I get that they are anti establishment, so am I. I wouldn't mind seeing a Trump/Sanders general just to scare the crap out of both sides but I could never vote for Sanders because he's the opposite of what I believe. I could see myself voting for Trump but I would have my fingers crossed and be thinking "I hope he doesn't things up too bad" when I did it.
    2020 is going to be a much more interesting vote IMO..

    Anti-establishment is clearly the loudest message from potential voters(not just in America, too, been a theme throughout the world, recently), so far, but their only options are atrocious candidates..I would imagine that future candidates will build off this, Americans will probably have more credible anti-establishment types in 2020, rather than the Trump show + a boring 75-year old man with absolutely no charisma..

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    I would vote for Trump or Sanders because I'm sick of the current political process. We need a shake up. I would favor Trump because I believe he is more fiscally conservative. I want to see a president that will work on our deficit.

    Its a dam shame your old as and believe Trump is fiscally conservative....its ok America was built on ignorance...just look out for my next thread on Trump you guys have no idea what a train wreck he is...I Will show you

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    I would vote for Trump or Sanders because I'm sick of the current political process. We need a shake up. I would favor Trump because I believe he is more fiscally conservative. I want to see a president that will work on our deficit.
    Ok. Detail the spending you'd cut to make up for the $9.5T Trump's proposed tax cuts would reduce revenues by.

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    Hillary got this tbh. Only way Republicans or trump win is if Isis attacks before election. A big possibility but all ISIS attacks have been timely that benefited the republicans a lot. Wouldnt surprise me if it happens again pre election.

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    America is in real danger though, Imo. Although much much less advanced but Arabia was stable just a few years ago even during Al-Qaeda times and now they are brewing in Arabia.

    It wouldnt surprise me to see ISIS win bargaining rights in the next 10 years. For America's benefit, they should really focus on local security. Whoever has that as number 1 should be voted president imo

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    They can't stand the establishment on either side. I could never vote for Sanders - he's talking revolution and more redistribution. Hillary, for all her lying, dishonest, deceitful ways is more "incremental" and selfish - hopefully she'll just take the money, etc and not harm the country too much.
    Sanders, when you look at it isn't as much of a revolutionarie as he is for making things how they USED to be, when American middle-class was strong, and could afford the basic things that society demands or puts a premium on (ie college, healthcare) without putting yourself in debt for your whole life. Those demands are infinitely harder to meet now than they were then thanks to corporatism and its grip on politicians. His call for a higher minimum wage to standards where they USED (although admittedly, $15 is ridiculous/high, and should be $10 or so--but it's the fact that he's talking about this seriously which is the important thing), one example, is a reflection of that. I think generally, people have gotten so used to taking it up the ass for so long that they view his ideas as a revolutionary, when in many ways they're just anachronistic ideas. Same with "redistribution". Money was redistributed starting a long time ago and still happening up today--but most of it just went/goes to the extremely wealthy. The redistribution that Sanders is talking about is in response to an earlier one, which as mentioned before benefited only a select segment of society. Redistribute? Nah, he wants to re-redistribute.

    Trump is talking about a lot of the same things but with different solutions. I disagree with the insensitive he's said, but I agree with him on the border, on businesses taking their jobs overseas and not having to pay for it at all while Americans get ed, the corporate money coloring all of Washington, and our and the political motives that form the basis for our relationships with Saudi Arabia and other ME "allies" (when was the last time a presidential candidate put Saudi Arabian on blast like he has? , most of them are bought off by them.)

    The establishment on both sides hasn't done jack in forever to make things considerably different.

    I'm a Trump or Sandere guy.

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    I'm calling Trump Agent Orange

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    And by increasing revenues.
    Yes, but that can be done by reducing taxes creating more jobs and more tax payers. Spending is the much bigger problem. But Trump will be a big spender. Everything he proposes will cost a ton of money. Plus he's not gonna be able to create enough jobs to make up the deficit.

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    Yes, but that can be done by reducing taxes creating more jobs and more tax payers.
    There is very little evidence to support this claim tbh.

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    There is very little evidence to support this claim tbh.
    Not by itself. Spending has to be drastically reduced. It's a bigger problem than taxes.

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    Not by itself. Spending has to be drastically reduced. It's a bigger problem than taxes.
    So your claim is that cutting taxes combined with austerity is going to increase federal revenue?

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    So what? As if that has anything to do with his electability. I would without a doubt vote for Trump rather than Hillary.

    My preferences would be the following:

    1. Trump
    2. Sanders
    3. Hillary
    4. Any of the other republican idiots
    You make my point for me.


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    I'm calling Trump Agent Orange

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    Yes, but that can be done by reducing taxes creating more jobs and more tax payers. Spending is the much bigger problem. But Trump will be a big spender. Everything he proposes will cost a ton of money. Plus he's not gonna be able to create enough jobs to make up the deficit.
    reducing tax rates doesn't guarantee more jobs

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    It's not just more jobs and more tax payers - that means less money going to welfare - less people collecting unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc. - a win-win. Jobs are the KEY. Don't replace any retired government worker. Get rid of Department of Education and return to the states and counties.

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    reducing tax rates doesn't guarantee more jobs
    Why did Burger King go to Canada? Why did Actavis go to Ireland? Why did Allergan take over Actavis? Why did Pfizer take over Allergan? Lower tax rates in Canada and Ireland.

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    Lower the taxes, bring back the companies and jobs. Give a limited time period of lower tax for companies to bring back the trillions parked abroad and invest in jobs.

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    2020 is going to be a much more interesting vote IMO..

    Anti-establishment is clearly the loudest message from potential voters(not just in America, too, been a theme throughout the world, recently), so far, but their only options are atrocious candidates..I would imagine that future candidates will build off this, Americans will probably have more credible anti-establishment types in 2020, rather than the Trump show + a boring 75-year old man with absolutely no charisma..
    its nothing new, that was sarah palin's calling card too ... MAVRICK

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    its nothing new, that was sarah palin's calling card too ... MAVRICK
    ... but there was nothing in McLiar/pitbull policies that were anti-establishment.

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    ... but there was nothing in McLiar/pitbull policies that were anti-establishment.
    are you ever capable of having a discussion without name calling?

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    Why did Burger King go to Canada? Why did Actavis go to Ireland? Why did Allergan take over Actavis? Why did Pfizer take over Allergan? Lower tax rates in Canada and Ireland.
    Did any of these companies add jobs once they started enjoying their reduced tax rates?

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    Did any of these companies add jobs once they started enjoying their reduced tax rates?
    They're paying those taxes to Canada and Ireland instead of to the US.

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    They're paying those taxes to Canada and Ireland instead of to the US.
    But isn't your argument that because they are paying lower taxes, they'll have more money to create jobs? Can you explain your argument?

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    They're paying those taxes to Canada and Ireland instead of to the US.
    Actually, Burger King has to pay taxes at US tax rates on all income it earns in the US.

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    Actually, Burger King has to pay taxes at US tax rates on all income it earns in the US.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...0JP0CI20141211

    They pay less US taxes.

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