I guess a better comparison is a bigger/slower version of Lou Williams (who got exposed in the playoffs) since he can get to the line b/c of his awkward jumper.
I still wouldn't mind him as a backup since Fathead/Simmons aren't playoff tested.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 02-16-2016 at 12:51 AM.
I think they're blowing smoke up people's asses, and will take the best pick they can get for him by Thursday.
On the Livingston comments above, I totally agree - scariest matchup because Parker and Mills are completely useless against him. He essentially displaced DWill a few years ago as the best guard in Brooklyn and somehow the Warriors were smart enough to jettison Jack for him.
Let's all hope for the best for Bosh. Hopefully it's the Heat being extra careful.
I can't wait to see how badly Tom Rivers messes up a Griffin trade
I'm expecting something like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtqspvn
It was pretty clear that Jarret Jack was a gunner ala Gary Neal & Livingston was a legit backup who was closing games for BK if anyone saw them play.
BTW..Jack wasn't traded by the Worriers, he ended up in BK after the Cavs signed him. The Worrier had signed Steve Blake to replace Jack but he was miserable.
Danny for Horford rumors heating up?
The Tiago/Danny PnR is going to wreck the league. Bud:
Source: Morning News USA
not too far from the truth tbhPorker would have to Pop's daughter to permanently lose his starting job even if Curry was his backup
You constantly disparage Anderson's game but he is a very good midrange shooter and a developing post up player. If you want to talk about cutters with no midrange game that's Simmons. Even he shoot a the 3 occasionally though. I don't think we have anyone on MCW level TBH, so that is a loosing proposition. If Simmons was hitting 20% on 3s then you have a point. Also Anderson is a forward so whatever minutes you are referring to fir MCW are nit coming from him but Simmons, and one of our PG.
I like MCW defensively, but he's clearly not on the level offensively of anyone else in the roster. Even Ray looks like he has a midrange game.
I really don't get this. Are you arguing that he can't? Moreover, I don't get why you're lambasting me obviously talking about how well Al and LMA could fit together. Unlike you, I don't have an agenda to trash other players.
This ain't happening... giving up Ray and a first is more likely than them giving up Anderson in my estimation. Anderson and MCW are nit swappable, they are guard-forward. Doesn't even make sense fir the bucks who actually start 3 forwards Middleton, Jabari & Antetoukoumpo. Maybe they don't take our first and accept Simmons instead and Ray. You can keep throwing shot to the wall and it won't stick.
The Spurs would be at worse the third team in the West right now had they missed out on LMA but still signed West. No doubt in my mind that they keep Cory and still bring in Boban. Obviously, the team's ceiling his higher with LMA, but this idea that they were a lottery team without him (not saying you said that) is absolutely insane.
That completely ignored the part of the post you quoted. Trading Green for Horford kills their chances this year -- Tim's possible last year. The team will figure out what to do about replacing him when he's gone. That's the end of an era. Until then, they will try to win with him, and despite your dismissal, they have a significantly better chance at winning this year with Green rather than Horford.Tim's knee injury is a concern. He isn't providing much on offense but his rebounding and defense would be sorely missed. Horford would be added insurance and a possible key pickup for seasons to come. Tim may not play next season and David West doesn't have much left either.
I don't think you know what gravity is in the NBA context. You don't have to make a ton of threes in a game to have gravity. Indeed, doing so often implies that you DON'T have gravity, hence why you're open. Curry and last year's Korver are the exceptions, but that's because their team's made them getting threes integral to the offense. Green's job in the offense isn't to make threes; it's to be guarded so that other guys get open looks. He's not unique in that regard, as that's why role-players usually pick up a three eventually. He's just the best at it. Simmons is a decent shooter, but he's not a floor-spacer. He'll have to have a big year from outside to get teams to start treating him as one.I've watched all the games and I've seen the Spurs pile up wins DESPITE Green's inconsistent play. He's a good player but he's not a difference maker unless he's playing his best. He's been inconsistent and he's always been one dimensional on offense. If his 3 isn't falling he's a liability with NO gravitational pull. At least Simmons can create shots. He's raw and lacks experience but has a bright future. He'll learn from his mistakes.
And again, this argument of yours is played out and has been for years. It's 2016, and since 2012, people have been saying that Green is a one-trick pony and that such and such player would be such an upgrade to him. And that take is constantly proven misguided. Like seriously, it's so damned old now, and I can't understand why anyone who has watched the team over the past half-decade still uses it.
Wait, so you think Green is benefiting from LMA's gravity? So how to explain Green shooting better last year with broke-ass Splitter and Baynes taking those minutes? Are you suggesting that those guys were creating for Green that whole time? Because if so, it's absurd. Or do you think that Green isn't helping LMA at all? If so, I don't know what to tell you. Spacing is critical to ANY offense, especially LMA's post game. Green is his usual entry-passer. So Danny playing well and aggressively really helps Aldridge by making the opponent change how they help. This is basic stuff.No way, no how. More ridiculous comments from you per par.
You really think MCW is good defensively? I haven't seen much of the bucks (or Philly when he was there) and when I do I don't pay him much attention. His metrics had/have him as a bad defender(and a bad player overall) I think. What kind of defensive skills does he have?
Maybe you haven't noticed that CoJo is shooting 25% from 3 (on 62 attempts) the season while playing in a much better offensive system than MCW along with Marco reverting to being a below 40% shooter when he isn't wearing a Spurs jersey.If Simmons played on the Bucks he would be shooting 20% from 3.#systemmatters
BTW..CoJo/Marco/Simmons/Fathead have a worse PER than MCW & Marco has essentially the same TS% as MCW this season. Last season with the Bucks, MCW shot 52% from midrange on basically the same number of FGAs as Fathead (55%) this season from that spot (10-16 ft). MCW is actually attempting & converting on floaters (3-10 ft) as well as 2011-13 Porker.
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He's a point guard so he isn't going to be rated as well as rim protectors.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 02-16-2016 at 02:59 AM.
the bucks in general have suffered bc they don't protect the paint. Jabari is terrible defensively. They have tried him at the 3 and 4 and he's been terrible in both. Monroe you know,about, they are terrible in transition D, but MCW has real size, length and,agility to guard OF and he gets a lot if deflections and steals swarming whoever he's guarding. The bucks in general don't have a good defensive team though. For example send Simmons there and he will look like a flat out scrub, Anderson too probably, although Anderson fits their style better since,they like to create s lot if deflections and that is kind of an Anderson strength. In a good team MCW would be Mich better than Simmons, that part of Kawhitstorm narrative I agree with.
I don't agree with him disparaging everyone else to suit his point and in reality what he's arguing is to subs ute Simmons minute s and role with MCW, bc Ray is nit getting playing time and Anderson is a forward. MCW is indeed a better ball handler than Simmons and depending on how high you are on him defensively, MCW is better. He dud do a very good job on Curry when Simmons has been torched by Curry, Irving, Clarkson and pretty much any really aggressive scoring guard or PG he's been assigned to guard. I am not selling him as some all nba efensive player, but he's better than Simmons and he starts and guards star Pg nightly. If he could not defend you could not play him at all. He's 24, Simmons is 26.
It is probably a pipedream anyways, Pop is really high with Simmons anyways and it may take for our backcourt to fall flat on their faces for Pop to consider adjustments. We have a good record and are coming along rather well. Simmons has shown signs of shooting the 3 and he shot it in the dleague. He probably needs to be pushed big time to shoot it more. Problem is that you can't trust him to take care if the ball under pressure if you need to sit any of the PG which is why I have stated he's more a wing than a combo guard that you can trust to run the point for stretches and bc he's 26 I don't think all of a sudden he's going to turn into the guy we need.
Live and due by Tony and Patty this season.
Edit: also I am not a super high on stats kind of girl but Simmons has a negative real plus minus defensively while playing in a good team, while MCW has a very good real plus minus defensively while playing in a bad team.
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I would trade mcw for anderson in a heartbeat. Anyone who says otherwise is a fangirl. The main reason is that hed probably bring more in a gsw series.
The MAIN reason is his versatility, Pop would turn him into the Bulls version of Ron Harper & use Danny/MCW/Kawhi to implement a scorched earth policy on perimeter players. Fathead meanwhile is a 40 yr old version of Shaun Livingston, the only way he becomes playable is if Adam Silver allows him to use a hoverboard.
I'm well aware he wouldn't be rank like a rim protector. I just looked and he is in the positive( I thought he was in the negative.) But I don't fully trust advance metrics which is why I was asking about him. I just remember the Bucks defense getting worse when he got there last year, but perhaps I am mistaken.He's a point guard so he isn't going to be rated as well as rim protectors.
He leads all the Bucks staters in Defensive Box Plus/Minus: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l#advanced::24
He is also 6th among starting point guards in Defensive Real Plus/Minus: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1
Their defense became ty because of Jabari Parker/Monroe.
MCW was the primary defender on Curry & held him in check for two games include their Worriers first loss. He also torched Curry when the Bucks narrowly lost at the Oracle.
They can play Fathead at point guard b/c last I checked they DON'T a point guard outside of MCW.
Agree with you on this. If you send Simmons to the bucks he will look like a dleaguer and would be turning the ball over at a high rate since there would not be space to drive or pass as well. Anderson would get exposed on defense and would probably be forced into more difficult shots. Both guys benefit from playing in the Spurs and Pop being selective on the matchups they get etc. If anything the guy who would go there and do his thing instantly is Ray since he played in the Kings.
Like I said I supported the trade, but the minutes you are arguing for MCW likely will come from Simmons and situationally the PGs and it doesn't seem like Pop is ready to tame that step as it concerns Tony and Patty at east since even Ray isn't playing much.
Ray isn't any better defensively than Patty/Tony & is a worse offensive player than either one so there is no need to play him unless one of them is out of the lineup. On the other hand, MCW brings something different to the table & unlike CoJo he can play THREE positions (PG, SG, SF) thus he can easily play 15-20 minutes because of his versatility.
-De Colo averaged 10-12 minutes
-If Fathead/Ray are traded, MCW is going to play behind Tony/Patty/Danny/Kawhi but won't have compe ion for 3rd string PG.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 02-16-2016 at 03:30 AM.
The Bucks had an aggressive controlled gambling style of defense last year which worked because they could switch and rotate. Now with Jabari And Monroe, who can't close out on shooters, that defense doesn't work. If they are still running that it would explain their ty D this year. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if he can play man to man(like the spurs) or if he thrives in chaos; how are his basic defense principals?
Even is he can defend some guard threats we have, I still don't like him offensively; can't shoot, turns the ball over. Maybe I'm underestimating him though. With some structure maybe he can succeed. If your endorsing him there is definitely a reason to look more carefully. Something to consider is will he get any playing time if he doesn't know the system especially in the second unit and doublely so if one expects him to handle the ball.
that is another pipedream. You seem intent on picking up a fight with me when I see your point on MCW clearly. Anderson is being played as a forward by Pop. Most of his real minutes coming as both a 3 and 4, which was also what he played in SL and dleague. Good luck convincing the bucks on giving up MCW for him. They are strong in forwards as it is and need guards. In fact they probably want Patty who can shoot the 3, which is what they really want. We can't afford to loose Patty though. He's our biggest bench scorer without Manu. He's so important to our bench' s offense that we may need to live with Livingston, Austin Rivers and Any other bench guard owning him.They can play Fathead at point guard b/c last I checked they DON'T a point guard outside of MCW.
All valid points, but is it worth giving up promising players with chemistry for a player who's only use (this year) would be a defensive specialist? If Danny, Kawhi and possibly Simmons could fill that use where does that put MCW?Ray isn't any better defensively than Patty/Tony & is a worse offensive player than either one so there is no need to play him unless one of them is out of the lineup. On the other hand, MCW brings something different to the table & unlike CoJo he can play THREE positions (PG, SG, SF) thus he can easily play 15-20 minutes because of his versatility. (De Colo averaged 10-12 minutes
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