Kawhi Leonard Injury Thread

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I gave up on him after he ed out against the Worriers. I'm team D-West & Boris 2.0, LMA is cut from the same stone as Porker & is bound to choke when push comes the shove.

Parker has always been a very solid playoff performer. It is only really the last couple of years he has declined...

[Sean Cagney]

Parker has always been a very solid playoff performer. It is only really the last couple of years he has declined...

Yes and no, Finals 2003 and 2005 he was dissapearing act and looked terrified out there, he got bailed out. I am not a Parker hater either btw...

[DeRozan m8]

Kawhi is out with a muscle cramp yet LeBron can march on for three and a half quarters in the NBA finals. Can the spurs really afford to pin their le hopes on someone who can't play through like other superstars?

wtf are you talking about?
lebron got the cramp in the 4th and came off.

Do you know how cramp works?

Can guarantee you've never played sport

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Yes and no, Finals 2003 and 2005 he was dissapearing act and looked terrified out there, he got bailed out. I am not a Parker hater either btw...

I wouldnt hold him to anything for 2003, he was not expected to be a superstar. Ill give you 2005 but he didnt really enter his prime until 2007-2008 briefly and then again in 2011-2014. During those years he was great for us in 07 and 08 playoffs, bad in 11, and great in 12, 13, and 14. He has never been a Manu or Duncan type playoff performer but to say he has been a choker or no show is just wrong.

[Brazil]

Glad he wasn't injured for the ASG.

absolutely... we would have missed some nice dunks

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Guys, please. Kawhi IS NOT INJURED. This is Pop just throwing a game against a potential 1st round opponent. Spurs were sloppy and incoherent last night and Pop hardly got mad. Probably b/c of just attending Monty's wife funeral that very day.

Pop played a bunch of funky lineups last night. The best was with Boban, Spurs came storming back by 11 points once he entered the game. His size inside really gave the Clips fits.

But that is how Pop is. He was just giving everyone minutes and toying with matchups right now against a potential playoff opponent. If people don't remember, the game in SA, Pop just played 9 man rotation. Last night Pop played a 12 man rotation w/ a starter and 6th man not even playing. he put Ray in when the Spurs were down 4 and in striking distance of winning. That told me that Pop probably didn't even want win last night's game.

[loveforthegame]

I just remembered that last season, he injured his hand... played on the sore hand, and that was when the ligaments went kaput and he could not even move it, costing him more games out than he might have originally missed had he waited for the original injury to heal.

Considering that, painful as it may be, its just better to let him get 100% on the calf. Like someone else posted above, those things can get worse or get aggravated, or even reflect on him injuring something else.

The difference is that the Spurs knew about the injury last year. They thought he could play through it which wasn't the case. The reporter last night said Kawhi never said anything about his calf. That's baffling to me as I have a hard time believing Kawhi would hide an injury/discomfort.

He didn't act like someone playing with discomfort in Orlando or the all-star game. Some guys can play through pain, of course, but it's hard not to be gimpy with a calf injury. He's ran around fine, jumped easily, etc...

You just never know with the Spurs. It could be something concerning or it's just Pop being his usual self giving a player some extra rest for the home stretch.

*eta*

Just went through Young's tweets last night. Said Kawhi was kicked in a previous game and has been feeling soreness since the Miami game. He's a game time decision tonight.

I'm sure he's out tonight since it's the Lakers. But it'll be interesting if he's back Sunday against the Suns or held out until Wednesday against the Kings.

[Kawhitstorm]

Just went through Young's tweets last night. Said Kawhi was kicked in a previous game and has been feeling soreness since the Miami game. He's a game time decision tonight.

Curry was also got kicked on his calf & sat out a game then got kicked in the shin before he started wearing shine guards. Not a big deal.

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker has always been a very solid playoff performer. It is only really the last couple of years he has declined...

2002: 4th quarter vs. Lakers: Porker unravels
2003 vs. Suns: Gets treated like a by Marbury
2003 comeback vs. Mavs: Porker on the bench
2003 comeback vs. Nets: Porker on the bench
2004 series vs Lakers: Porker disappears when the Lakers become physical
2005 Finals: Gets treated like a by Billups
2006 vs. Mavs: Can't outplay ROOKIE Devin Harris
2008 vs. Lakers: Can't dominate old ass Fisher
2010: Gets benched for George Hill
2011: Locked up by Baby Conley
2012: Gets shut down when Thabo switches onto him
2013: Gets outscored by Chalmers in Gm 6/7
2014 WCF: Gets showed up by CoJo & Reggie Miller states on national TV "The Spurs might win this game if Porker doesn't return"
2014 Finals: 1-11 in the first 3 quarters of the championship clincher & proceeds to pad his stats after the Heat have waived the white flag
2015: Worst series performance by a starting PG in the last 25 years while Choke-P3 is making clutch plays

[MultiTroll]

Knew he was hurt, but didn't say anything so he could bask in the ASG lights?
This is so Anti Spur.

Been worried about his dome since witnessing his disgusting MeBall game vs the Lakers.

[bklynspursfan]

2002: 4th quarter vs. Lakers: Porker unravels
2003 vs. Suns: Gets treated like a by Marbury
2003 comeback vs. Mavs: Porker on the bench
2003 comeback vs. Nets: Porker on the bench
2004 series vs Lakers: Porker disappears when the Lakers become physical
2005 Finals: Gets treated like a by Billups
2006 vs. Mavs: Can't outplay ROOKIE Devin Harris
2008 vs. Lakers: Can't dominate old ass Fisher
2010: Gets benched for George Hill
2011: Locked up by Baby Conley
2012: Gets shut down when Thabo switches onto him
2013: Gets outscored by Chalmers in Gm 6/7
2014 WCF: Gets showed up by CoJo & Reggie Miller states on national TV "The Spurs might win this game if Porker doesn't return"
2014 Finals: 1-11 in the first 3 quarters of the championship clincher & proceeds to pad his stats after the Heat have waived the white flag
2015: Worst series performance by a starting PG in the last 25 years while Choke-P3 is making clutch plays

My god you "player fans" are so ignorant.... Just support the team. If you just became a fan in the last 3-4 years, respect what happened before that.

[BillMc]

Knew he was hurt, but didn't say anything so he could bask in the ASG lights?
This is so Anti Spur.

Been worried about his dome since witnessing his disgusting MeBall game vs the Lakers.

I think that's a bit harsh. He's a young guy who didn't want to miss his first all star game, so he brushed off a minor injury. Kawhi's human. It's not like he's been an all star a dozen times. It was an experience he coveted probably since childhood.

The problem with calf injuries though is what seems minor can worsen. Do I wish he'd reported it? Yeah. But I understand where he's coming from.

[ceperez]

Pop played a bunch of funky lineups last night. The best was with Boban, Spurs came storming back by 11 points once he entered the game. His size inside really gave the Clips fits.

But that is how Pop is. He was just giving everyone minutes and toying with matchups right now against a potential playoff opponent. If people don't remember, the game in SA, Pop just played 9 man rotation. Last night Pop played a 12 man rotation w/ a starter and 6th man not even playing. he put Ray in when the Spurs were down 4 and in striking distance of winning. That told me that Pop probably didn't even want win last night's game.

Yeah, Boban was surprisingly effective. He could lay off from Jordan on the perimeter and he played good help defense.

Pop didn't even bother to switch lineups when the Clippers kept exploiting Parker and Mills on defense. Pop even had a 3 guard lineups of Mills, Parker and McCallum. I have no idea how that lineup can be effective.

[SAGirl]

Boban was effective for a short stretch but once D.Jordan got back in the game he was destroyed by PnR after PnR. Still that experience for him was valuable. If we are going to resign him and rely on him more in the future he needs experience and to learn from mistakes. He can't do that without getting tested against the best.

I don't believe any of these injuries are CIA Pop. Kawhi' s calf apparently was nothing initially, some discomfort he played through, but yesterday in practice he wasn't moving well. It tightened up. Like someone said above that stuff can get worse.

[loveforthegame]

Leonard out again tonight. No surprise.

Knew he was hurt, but didn't say anything so he could bask in the ASG lights?
This is so Anti Spur.

Been worried about his dome since witnessing his disgusting MeBall game vs the Lakers.

I know right. He's completely anti-Spur. Credit the Spurs organization for keeping this under wraps for nearly 5 seasons. As fans, we can only hope the Spurs get him in check before he gets completely out of control.

[UZER]

Pop has gone overboard with this stuff.

[look_at_g_shred]

Maybe he is better now but Pop's like well you're going to sit the next two games as a lesson for not telling me you were hurt. Perhaps...

[BillMc]

Rest him if he needs it. Remember Splitter's never ending calf problems last year? He was off, would come back for a few games then it would act up again. It lasted all season. If Kawhi's injury is real, let him heal up.

[MultiTroll]

I think that's a bit harsh. He's a young guy who didn't want to miss his first all star game, so he brushed off a minor injury. Kawhi's human. It's not like he's been an all star a dozen times. It was an experience he coveted probably since childhood.

The problem with calf injuries though is what seems minor can worsen. Do I wish he'd reported it? Yeah. But I understand where he's coming from.

I agree BillMc, professional recognition, maybe a lot of friends college buddies etc going to be watching the game etc. Perhaps also he was thinking, like a lot of us were programmed to think in athletics, do the macho thing and shake it off it will get better without treatment. And often times it does. What I mean more, is I hope it's not the beginnings of some at ude. Some of us have noticed, lets just say more then one time down the floor and to the extent it's beginning to be a problem, is Kobme type trips down the floor. No need to force shot, plenty of time on the shot clock etc. He's launched into some dribble dribble double teamed fadeaway Kobme crap. I'm just saying nip this in the bud. Right now, easily curable beginning stages of disease. Left to grow, we've got Kobme Lite on our hands. I would look for Duncan, not Pop to be the #1 good influence should an Intervention be needed.
OTOH Duncan seems to often do nothing ie Parkers overuse last year and Manus Alzheimer's in the Game 6 giveaway. After his 4th turnover even a casual fan watching the game at our house was like "Get him out of there, he is ruining the Spurs chances".

Again, just wanting to see any displays by Kwa of Kobmeitus vaccinated ASAP.

[Sean Cagney]

I wouldnt hold him to anything for 2003, he was not expected to be a superstar. Ill give you 2005 but he didnt really enter his prime until 2007-2008 briefly and then again in 2011-2014. During those years he was great for us in 07 and 08 playoffs, bad in 11, and great in 12, 13, and 14. He has never been a Manu or Duncan type playoff performer but to say he has been a choker or no show is just wrong.

True. He showed up huge in game 7 too against Dallas, set the tone early in 2014.

[Budkin]

Incoming worse loss of the season tonight.

[BillMc]

I agree BillMc, professional recognition, maybe a lot of friends college buddies etc going to be watching the game etc. Perhaps also he was thinking, like a lot of us were programmed to think in athletics, do the macho thing and shake it off it will get better without treatment. And often times it does. What I mean more, is I hope it's not the beginnings of some at ude. Some of us have noticed, lets just say more then one time down the floor and to the extent it's beginning to be a problem, is Kobme type trips down the floor. No need to force shot, plenty of time on the shot clock etc. He's launched into some dribble dribble double teamed fadeaway Kobme crap. I'm just saying nip this in the bud. Right now, easily curable beginning stages of disease. Left to grow, we've got Kobme Lite on our hands. I would look for Duncan, not Pop to be the #1 good influence should an Intervention be needed.
OTOH Duncan seems to often do nothing ie Parkers overuse last year and Manus Alzheimer's in the Game 6 giveaway. After his 4th turnover even a casual fan watching the game at our house was like "Get him out of there, he is ruining the Spurs chances".

Again, just wanting to see any displays by Kwa of Kobmeitus vaccinated ASAP.

I know what you mean about the disease of Kobme being an opposite to Spurs philosophy. I agree. That said, Pop has since early 2013 at least been pushing for Kawhi to be more aggressive and defer less. I think we're seeing him do that as his skills improve. He certainly has been impressive, and Pop, for example, specifically called an isolation for Kawhi to win the Orlando game. This isn't a Kobe ignoring the coach and freelancing. This is what his coach wants.

I guess we have to trust in Pop to pull it back if it goes too far. I doubt TD will say anything if it were.

[EVAY]

Rest him if he needs it. Remember Splitter's never ending calf problems last year? He was off, would come back for a few games then it would act up again. It lasted all season. If Kawhi's injury is real, let him heal up.

Unfortunately, this is what worries me. Calf injuries to anyone are notorious for lingering, and I do wish that Kawhi had not played in the AS game. However, every single player always wants to play in every single game. That is why Parker kept coming back when he should have (and wasn't helpful) in years past, it is why Manu was trying to play on a broken leg after our championship year, and why Brent Barry (and later Tiago) were less than helpful when they came back from calf injuries.

I think they just HAVE to make him stay out. But we cannot expect to win many games if he is still out and LaMarcus doesn't show.

Right now we are without Manu's playmaking in the second squad and without Kawhi's defense and offense in the first squad. We won't last too long without one or the other of them coming back full ability. Folks getting ticked off at people they have been calling 'scrubs' or 'mere role players' for the last several seasons is unhelpful, silly and reflective of a lack of understanding of the relative contributions from the team's members. We cannot win against the best teams without Kawhi and Manu in a 7 game series.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Leonard out again tonight. No surprise.



I know right. He's completely anti-Spur. Credit the Spurs organization for keeping this under wraps for nearly 5 seasons. As fans, we can only hope the Spurs get him in check before he gets completely out of control.

good

[BillMc]

Unfortunately, this is what worries me. Calf injuries to anyone are notorious for lingering, and I do wish that Kawhi had not played in the AS game. However, every single player always wants to play in every single game. That is why Parker kept coming back when he should have (and wasn't helpful) in years past, it is why Manu was trying to play on a broken leg after our championship year, and why Brent Barry (and later Tiago) were less than helpful when they came back from calf injuries.

I think they just HAVE to make him stay out. But we cannot expect to win many games if he is still out and LaMarcus doesn't show.

Right now we are without Manu's playmaking in the second squad and without Kawhi's defense and offense in the first squad. We won't last too long without one or the other of them coming back full ability. Folks getting ticked off at people they have been calling 'scrubs' or 'mere role players' for the last several seasons is unhelpful, silly and reflective of a lack of understanding of the relative contributions from the team's members. We cannot win against the best teams without Kawhi and Manu in a 7 game series.

Agreed.