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To be honest.. yes he should be in the discussion.
To be more honest... they're playing then Lakers at home better than they did last time in San Antonio with him.
His case with the team is stronger than his case without them in my opinion.
provided the criterion is still based around which player is most important to his team.
Sans Kawhi:
- Blown out by the Clippers missing Griffin.
- Looking like absolute trash defensively against a bottom feeder.
Wardell's number 2 (Raymond) is arguably a top 5 player himself. And Klay is probably the best SG in the league.
Also, no agendas in this thread. I like the Spurs overall roster, but it's evident that Kawhi is the lynchpin that unites all those parts.
To be honest.. yes he should be in the discussion.
To be more honest... they're playing then Lakers at home better than they did last time in San Antonio with him.
His case with the team is stronger than his case without them in my opinion.
I dont know, but hes clearly the second most valuable player for his team in terms of value. Durant is probably the most valuable.
The narrative that benefits pop kills Kawhi and is probably the reason why TD is not a consensus top 5 player of all time.
I disagree. Fat head is just that horrible
It's also pretty evident that Pop enjoys the recognition. Ive never seen him kill the obvious false narrative that casuals belief in. TD and Kawhi is forever going to have a minus on their resume for being great teamates. Which is pretty stupid.
At least kawhi has 3-4 years of basketball to kill that narrative but TD doesnt...even though 2000-2007 islargely TD.
One thing that should help Kawhi's case (it won't because the media is re ed) is that he has no perimeter running mates that are all-star worthy. Having 2 perimeter studs in today's game is as important as having two frontline studs/deep frontline was in the Lakers/Spurs era. Durant has Westbrook. Curry has Klay. Lebron has Kyrie. Kawhi has Danny Green (great defender, yes, but his offensive game is such , he can't take the pressure off Kawhi for stretches like Westbrook can with Durant or Klay can with Curry) and/or an inconsistent Tony Parker.
Kawhi carries more load than any other wing/guard in the league.
You are going to have a hard time convicing casuals and mainstream writers though. At least hardcore guys have him as the 2nd best player in the world but those are very few...were talking haralabos, duncan, leroux, lowe etc...but those people only appeal to hardcore fans. Most casuals whatch first take etc.
It would be nice to see him get it.
Ive been saying the last 6 months though before they signed Aldridge, Kawhi deserves an All-Star Caliber Guard....
I love Kawhi and he should no doubt be in the discussion. I think if you take Curry off the Warriors it would be more detrimental to that team.
LMA is the perfect front court fit for him, I think, since he can stretch out the D being a midrange threat. The Spurs just need to find or develop a backcourt player who can do something off the dribble. When Tony is on, he fits the role, but who knows how many more gallons he has left in the tank. Same with Manu. I like Green, but he's too specialized. Simmons has the perfect style, but he's obviously too raw and has probably reached near his peak. His defense is also suspect.
If we could give Green Simmons' penetration ability, it'd be perfect.
The defense has looked like for awhile now. First, it was because Duncan was out. Now, it's because Leonard is out. Not buying it. Good offenses can run through this defense like it's nobody's business. The real problem is the lack of fluidity with the offense. When the defense struggles, the offense can't keep pace.
He's definitely not ahead of Steph Curry. The dude missed the Mavs game and GS lost by 19.
And? The spurs got blwon out by the clippers minus griffin.
I agree for the most part, but the whole Duncan/Kawhi being out as a main reason for the defense sucking is valid seeing as they're the two best defenders on the team.
Kawhi will get some honorable mentions but Curry is the favorite to win b2b MVPs. Anyways, the Spurs managed to make the lakers look respectable tonight and Kobe is having himself a game against SloMo. Any other contender would be up twenty on the worst defensive team in the NBA. The lakers are in tank mode this season, and remember when they gave up 72 points in the paint one time. This game should not even be close but as usual Clarkson and Kobe going off. Guard defense is a big problem for the Spurs. Parker was decent on the offensive end but he can't guard anyone. I was laughing when he was put on Clarkson to start the game, Clarkson then went 4/4 from three.
I disagree. Pop keeps repeating that he just got lucky with Drob and TD.
OP: I still think Curry is the mvp because if you remove him from that team then Raymond wouldnt be as good as he was. And Klay is a choker.
Curry way more important to the Warriors. That team would be sh** without him.
The Spurs lost by 30 to the Warriors and 17 to the Cavs WITH Leonard. Does that make Duncan team MVP? Without Curry, the Warriors are a slightly above average team. Not pooh-poohing Leonard's importance, but Curry is in a league of his own right now.
He didn't miss the portland game and still lost by 32.
In any case, Kawhi is on healthy pace to become the best player in the world.
Speaking of Kawhi......when will he be able to return?
IDK, without Wardell the Dubs look like . They're probably a 4-6 seed without him tbh
Re ed. This is a one man race as it should be
You've been pooh-poohing on leonard ever since he was drafted.
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