Bernie Sanders

[baseline bum]

We'd have to kill the empire too. It costs us an enormous amount of money. Let Europe pay for their own peace.

[rmt]

Bernie Sanders Overtakes Hillary Clinton in 3 More States

According to recent polls in both Democratic strongholds and swing states, Bernie Sanders’ once insurgent campaign is snowballing into a serious movement.

In the critical swing state of Colorado, where Sanders once trailed Hillary Clinton by as much as 28 points prior to the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary, Sanders is now ahead of Clinton by 6 points. The new numbers were released today by the Washington Free Beacon, which also showed Sanders leading the former Secretary of State and First Lady among voters under 30 by a 46-point margin.

Furthermore, Sanders led with a 40-point advantage among women voters under 30. In Colorado, which has a significant Hispanic element in its Democratic electorate, Hispanics are supporting Sanders over Clinton by a margin of 41-38. Colorado Democrats will caucus on March 1.

Additional polls show Sanders’ campaign is swaying voters in early March primary states, as well. In Massachusetts, Sen. Sanders is leading Clinton by 7 points, according to a Public Policy Poll (PPP) conducted between February 14 and February 16.

This is a significant change from previous polls, which had Clinton leading Sanders in the Democratic stronghold state by a 25-point margin in a Boston Globe/Suffolk poll in November. An Emerson College poll in October had Clinton ahead by 34 points.

The same PPP poll that had Sanders ahead in Massachusetts also shows Bernie with an insurmountable 76-point lead in his home state of Vermont.

This all comes on the heels of the news of Sanders passing Clinton for the first time in a national poll yesterday, as a Fox News poll showed Sanders beating the Democratic frontrunner by 3 points. However, Bernie has some catching up to do in states with a predominantly-black Democratic voting bloc — Clinton is leading in 10 of the 12 early primary states surveyed by PPP.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-l...3-more-states/

VT is heavily FOR Bernie, while several red, slave states, having tasted the of Repug MISgovernance, don't even support their own Repug governors, like TX, LA, NJ, FL, WI.

I'm interested in what proof you have that Floridians don't support the current governor of Florida (as opposed to the former Democrat governor who was raising state university tuition 15% per year). 6% sales tax, no income tax, pensions in good shape, assessed value for property tax capped at max 3% increase per year, portability of that cap within FL - what's not to like about Florida. Under this current governor, all national merit recipients get a FULL ride at 6 Florida universities.

[Shastafarian]

I'm interested in what proof you have that Floridians don't support the current governor of Florida (as opposed to the former Democrat governor who was raising state university tuition 15% per year). 6% sales tax, no income tax, pensions in good shape, assessed value for property tax capped at max 3% increase per year, portability of that cap within FL - what's not to like about Florida. Under this current governor, all national merit recipients get a FULL ride at 6 Florida universities.

Charlie Crist was a REPUBLICAN governor. And that 15% increase? That was in a bill that was sponsored by republicans and passed by republicans.

Sponsors

Ken Pruitt (FL - R) (Out Of Office)
Co-sponsors

James E. 'Jim' King Jr. (FL - R) (Out Of Office)
Evelyn J. Lynn (FL - R) (Out Of Office)

https://votesmart.org/bill/9291/2684...s#.Vsov35OAOkp

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...cent-annual-t/

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Charlie Crist was a REPUBLICAN governor. And that 15% increase? That was in a bill that was sponsored by republicans and passed by republicans.



https://votesmart.org/bill/9291/2684...s#.Vsov35OAOkp

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...cent-annual-t/

My bad about when he was Democrat. First he was republican, then he was unaffiliated, then he was Democrat - flip-flopped. We are much better off under this current governor.

[Shastafarian]

My bad about when he was Democrat. First he was republican, then he was unaffiliated, then he was Democrat - flip-flopped. We are much better off under this current governor.

Tell that to the babies that keep dying in West Palm Beach. Deregulation is WJWD.

[rasuo214]

I don't think Bernie's proposals make sense. We can't have nice stuff like Europe since we have no sugar daddy to subsidize our military costs the way we do for Europe.

This plus Health Care innovations. Taxing the "Millionaires and Billionaires" won't be enough, even if you take all of their money.

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This plus Health Care innovations. Taxing the "Millionaires and Billionaires" won't be enough, even if you take all of their money.

It's just no indivdual tax avoiders and evaders. it's BigCorp. $Ts of taxes are lost to these mofos.

[rasuo214]

It's just no indivdual tax avoiders and evaders. it's BigCorp. $Ts of taxes are lost to these mofos.

Over what period of time? Also they have no obligation to bring the money back and they sure as aren't going to bring it back to pay it all in taxes.

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aren't going to bring it back to pay it all in taxes.

You Lie "all"

So let them keep their profits overseas. I'm sure they'll find illegal ways to get it back to USA, or how to spend it overseas.

[vy65]

This week, four respected economists who served Democratic presidents wrote a letter bluntly pointing out that “no credible economic research” supports Sanders’s economic assumptions and predictions. They were referring to the claims by Gerald Friedman, an economist who has tried to make Sanders’s math work. To do so, Friedman assumes that per capita growth would average 4.5 percent (more than double the rate over the past three decades), and that the employment-to-population ratio would suddenly reverse its long decline and reach 65 percent, the highest ever. Even more magically, productivity growth would rise to 3.18 percent. As Kevin Drum has pointed out in Mother Jones, “there has never been a 10-year period since World War II in which productivity grew by 3.18 percent.”

Sanders’s supporters argue that all this criticism misses the point. Sanders is setting forth an “idealistic” vision on purpose — his goal is to shift the spectrum. But that argument is premised on the notion that, in fact, the United States would be better off with $30 trillion of extra spending, absolutely free public colleges (and thus essentially government-controlled), high tariffs and top marginal tax rates of about 85 percent. It wouldn’t. Even unabashedly liberal scholars don’t believe that the economy would function better under these cir stances.

But this is nitpicking. He is painting with a broader brush, being an authentic man who speaks his mind, willing to present bold ideas geared to capture the imagination. Never mind that establishment elites criticize them as unworkable or divisive or radical.

Am I speaking about Bernie Sanders — or Donald Trump?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d=ss_fb-bottom

[vy65]

Dear Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman,

We are former Chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers for Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. For many years, we have worked to make the Democratic Party the party of evidence-based economic policy. When Republicans have proposed large tax cuts for the wealthy and asserted that those tax cuts would pay for themselves, for example, we have shown that the economic facts do not support these fantastical claims. We have applied the same rigor to proposals by Democrats, and worked to ensure that forecasts of the effects of proposed economic policies, from investment in infrastructure, to education and training, to health care reforms, are grounded in economic evidence. Largely as a result of efforts like these, the Democratic party has rightfully earned a reputation for responsibly estimating the effects of economic policies.

We are concerned to see the Sanders campaign citing extreme claims by Gerald Friedman about the effect of Senator Sanders’s economic plan—claims that cannot be supported by the economic evidence. Friedman asserts that your plan will have huge beneficial impacts on growth rates, income and employment that exceed even the most grandiose predictions by Republicans about the impact of their tax cut proposals.

As much as we wish it were so, no credible economic research supports economic impacts of these magnitudes. Making such promises runs against our party’s best traditions of evidence-based policy making and undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic. These claims undermine the credibility of the progressive economic agenda and make it that much more difficult to challenge the unrealistic claims made by Republican candidates.

Sincerely,

Alan Krueger, Princeton University

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2011-2013

Austan Goolsbee, University of Chicago Booth School

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2010-2011

Christina Romer, University of California at Berkeley

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2009-2010

Laura D’Andrea Tyson, University of California at Berkeley Haas School of Business

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 1993-1995

https://lettertosanders.wordpress.co...st-cea-chairs/

Crofl

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https://lettertosanders.wordpress.co...st-cea-chairs/

Crofl

These assholes have been, along with Krugman, trashed for trashing Friedman on Sanders plans.

Krugman and His Gang’s Libeling of Economist Gerald Friedman for Finding That Conventional Models Show That Sanders Plan Could Work

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/...+capitalism%29

CROFL at you simplistic, gullible rightwingnut cretins.

[baseline bum]

I think spurraider hit the nail on the head that Captain Free is probably the best candidate since he's the one least likely to get his crazy through congress.

[vy65]

CROFL at you simplistic, gullible rightwingnut cretins.

Dear Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman,

We are former Chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers for Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. For many years, we have worked to make the Democratic Party the party of evidence-based economic policy.

[vy65]

I think spurraider hit the nail on the head that Captain Free is probably the best candidate since he's the one least likely to get his crazy through congress.

Odds the er dies during his presidency?

[spurraider21]

Odds the er dies during his presidency?

only if his doctors are paid off by billionahs on wole street

[baseline bum]

only if his doctors are paid off by billionahs on wole street

Bern's too smart to go to the VRWC Clinic

[vy65]

Mock him all you want, but the field of candidates proves Buttons is right when he says America is ed and un able

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"We are former Chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers for Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. For many years, we have worked to make the Democratic Party the party of evidence-based economic policy."

I repeat, you're gullible. those guys represent the Dem establishment, are probably angling for positions in the Clinton administration.

the articles in N/C I posted explain in detail how these assholes are wrong, and why Friedman is reasonable, and even right in his analysis.

[rasuo214]

Trump and Bernie supporters have a lot in common.

[rasuo214]

You Lie "all"

So let them keep their profits overseas. I'm sure they'll find illegal ways to get it back to USA, or how to spend it overseas.

Ok, so how does Bernie pay for his proposals?

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Ok, so how does Bernie pay for his proposals?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

[rasuo214]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

Paid for by making corporations pay taxes on all of the “profits” they have shifted to the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens, which the Congressional Research Services estimates may currently create losses that approach $100 billion annually, and other loopholes

You Lie "all"

So let them keep their profits overseas. I'm sure they'll find illegal ways to get it back to USA, or how to spend it overseas.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://lettertosanders.wordpress.co...st-cea-chairs/

Crofl

Citing economists for the democratic establishment is amusing I guess.

[vy65]

Citing economists for the democratic establishment is amusing I guess.

I certainly think so. That you ostensibly don't makes it all the more delicious