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    The epic nature of Jeb Bush’s failure

    The last time the Republican Party won a presidential election without a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket? 1928. This year, they’re going to try to break the streak – unless Jeb somehow ends up as the nominee’s running mate, which seems extremely unlikely.

    And speaking of history, the Floridian has earned an ignominious place in American electoral history. Never before has a candidate raised such an extraordinary amount of money, only to fail spectacularly. We’ve seen former frontrunners stumble, but we’ve never seen anything quite like Jeb Bush’s rise and fall.


    Remember, Bush had a game plan that seemed sensible: he’d launch his exploratory committee early, position himself as the frontrunner, lock up the party’s biggest donors, and rely on a “shock and awe” perception to keep compe ive rivals out of the GOP race. Since the candidate favored by party insiders and the Republican establishment always seems to end up as the nominee, Jeb had reason to be optimistic.

    But only part of the gambit worked. Bush did, in fact, raise an incredible amount of money, but compe ors entered the race anyway, and his stacks of cash proved to be inconsequential: the more Team Bush invested, the worse the candidate fared.

    There wasn’t a single moment that doomed Jeb’s candidacy, though his week-long struggle with a question about whether the war in Iraq was a good idea still stands out as a turning point in the race. What’s more, he didn’t falter as a result of a scandal or humiliating gaffe.

    Bush’s problem was more fundamental. He was the wrong candidate with the wrong message at the wrong time. He had strengths – a conservative record, a family pedigree, a willingness to talk about public policy in a half-way serious way – which just happened to be the exact opposite of what Republican primary voters were looking for in 2016. Bush, who hasn’t run a successful campaign since 2002, at times seemed surprised to discover a GOP electorate he hardly recognized.

    This morning, I dug up the post I published on the day Jeb formally kicked off his campaign, and I noted at the time that, as a result of his last name, Bush would face a natural, unavoidable resistance, which he could only overcome by being an exceptional candidate.

    But there was simply nothing exceptional about his candidacy. He was a clumsy and underwhelming campaigner, with poor instincts, and lackluster debating skills, who seemed wholly unprepared – not only for Donald Trump’s bullying, but also for the national spotlight.

    Quitting must have been difficult, but it was a merciful end to an epic failure.

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    That's totally wrong. He is going to hit her hard with attacks and they will be devastating. She is not a great candidate to begin with, and Trump won't hold back exploiting that.
    He can attack her all he wants. He simply doesn't have enough supporters nationally. He will get crushed without assistance from the independent vote which will undoubtely go to to the dem side if Trump is nominated.

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    He can attack her all he wants. He simply doesn't have enough supporters nationally. He will get crushed without assistance from the independent vote which will undoubtely go to to the dem side if Trump is nominated.
    I actually think that a lot of Bernie supporters will go for Trump if Hillary is nominated - they are kinda similar.

    “The candidate is considered a political outsider by all the pundits. He’s tapping into the anger of the voters, delivers a populist message. He believes everyone in the country should have healthcare, he advocates for hedge fund managers to pay higher taxes, he’s drawing thousands of people at his rallies, and bringing in a lot of new voters to the political process. And he’s not beholden to any super PAC. Who am I describing?” Brzezinski asked.

    Without missing a beat, Trump added that he is not beholden to any special interests or donors, before confidently asserting, “You’re describing Donald Trump.”

    There was only one problem: she wasn’t. Instead, Brzezinski told the billionaire businessman that she was describing Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed Democratic socialist.

    “Actually, I was describing Bernie Sanders,” the MSNBC host said with a smirk, as the audience began to awkwardly laugh.

    Trump, who appeared surprised, simply said, “Well, that’s good.”

    He went on to say that he and Sanders agree that the U.S. is being “ripped off big league on trade,” but he said the Democratic candidate can’t do anything about it “because he doesn’t understand it.”

    And if Bernie is competing so well with Hillary without attacking her personally, what's gonna happen when Trump starts in on her - you know there's nothing he won't say.

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    I actually think that a lot of Bernie supporters will go for Trump if Hillary is nominated - they are kinda similar.

    “The candidate is considered a political outsider by all the pundits. He’s tapping into the anger of the voters, delivers a populist message. He believes everyone in the country should have healthcare, he advocates for hedge fund managers to pay higher taxes, he’s drawing thousands of people at his rallies, and bringing in a lot of new voters to the political process. And he’s not beholden to any super PAC. Who am I describing?” Brzezinski asked.

    Without missing a beat, Trump added that he is not beholden to any special interests or donors, before confidently asserting, “You’re describing Donald Trump.”

    There was only one problem: she wasn’t. Instead, Brzezinski told the billionaire businessman that she was describing Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed Democratic socialist.

    “Actually, I was describing Bernie Sanders,” the MSNBC host said with a smirk, as the audience began to awkwardly laugh.

    Trump, who appeared surprised, simply said, “Well, that’s good.”

    He went on to say that he and Sanders agree that the U.S. is being “ripped off big league on trade,” but he said the Democratic candidate can’t do anything about it “because he doesn’t understand it.”

    And if Bernie is competing so well with Hillary without attacking her personally, what's gonna happen when Trump starts in on her - you know there's nothing he won't say.
    They're outsiders--about the only thing they share.

    Sander's ideals and what he wants to do doesn't even come close to what Trump is having in mind.

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    He can attack her all he wants. He simply doesn't have enough supporters nationally. He will get crushed without assistance from the independent vote which will undoubtely go to to the dem side if Trump is nominated.
    This is not your usual election cycle like 2012. Bernie Sanders supporters aren't going to flock to Hillary unless maybe she makes him VP. Trump is going to appeals to more people than you think. The pundits keep doubting him and he keeps proving them wrong.

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    Shillary is 100x more unlikeable than Trump. He will run circles around her. It wont be a fair fight

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    This is not your usual election cycle like 2012. Bernie Sanders supporters aren't going to flock to Hillary unless maybe she makes him VP. Trump is going to appeals to more people than you think. The pundits keep doubting him and he keeps proving them wrong.
    Nuke truth

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    Trump takes another step closer to the GOP nomination.

    Holy F***.

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    I actually think that a lot of Bernie supporters will go for Trump if Hillary is nominated - they are kinda similar.

    “The candidate is considered a political outsider by all the pundits. He’s tapping into the anger of the voters, delivers a populist message. He believes everyone in the country should have healthcare, he advocates for hedge fund managers to pay higher taxes, he’s drawing thousands of people at his rallies, and bringing in a lot of new voters to the political process. And he’s not beholden to any super PAC. Who am I describing?” Brzezinski asked.

    Without missing a beat, Trump added that he is not beholden to any special interests or donors, before confidently asserting, “You’re describing Donald Trump.”

    There was only one problem: she wasn’t. Instead, Brzezinski told the billionaire businessman that she was describing Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed Democratic socialist.

    “Actually, I was describing Bernie Sanders,” the MSNBC host said with a smirk, as the audience began to awkwardly laugh.

    Trump, who appeared surprised, simply said, “Well, that’s good.”

    He went on to say that he and Sanders agree that the U.S. is being “ripped off big league on trade,” but he said the Democratic candidate can’t do anything about it “because he doesn’t understand it.”

    And if Bernie is competing so well with Hillary without attacking her personally, what's gonna happen when Trump starts in on her - you know there's nothing he won't say.
    No, no we won't. Haven't talked to a single Bernie supporter that would vote for Trump without a gun pointed to their head.

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    Bernie supporters will most likely nit vote which that equates to a vote in favor of Trump

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    Bernie supporters will most likely nit vote which that equates to a vote in favor of Trump
    Yep. And GOP voters are turning out - not so much on the dem side.

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    Yep. And GOP voters are turning out - not so much on the dem side.
    If it's Trump, Cruz, Rubio on the Repug side, the Dems will come en masse to vote negative, against any Repugs, just like they did in 2008, absolutely didn't want anything to do with more Repug ups, wars, etc.

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    Didn't they turn out to vote for Obama (the 1st black president) - not necessarily against the repubs?

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