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Kobe dropped a double nickel on Jordan's ass!Offensively you can at least make an argument. Overall, no, not the way Lillard lit him up
Curry doesn't need the ball to be effective but Jordan does? Please don't tell me that is some insinuation that Jordan was a bad off ball player, because it will prove you know very little about him. Jordan was an amazing off ball player.
As for being able to distribute the ball "way better", that's also bull . Considering Curry is a PG and Jordan was a SG, and their career APG is only a point and a half apart despite Jordan having already played a complete career with diminished stats on his averages already, I can comfortably laugh at that statement. Curry is technically not racking up that many assists for a PG. 6.6 APG is not that impressive for a PG. At all. His AST/TO ratio is also worse and that's even despite the fact Jordan was taking an average of 40% more FGAs per game too which should have increased his TO ratio. Yet it's still a lot lower.
So no, Curry isn't a better distributor and that's even despite the fact he's a PG and it's his job to be. He's a much better 3pt shooter. That's it.
45% is also a very ty % for a "layup".
Kobe dropped a double nickel on Jordan's ass!Offensively you can at least make an argument. Overall, no, not the way Lillard lit him up
Stack dropped 57 vs. MJ IIRCKobe dropped a double nickel on Jordan's ass!
Some dude named LAbradford Smith(?) dropped 37 or 40 IIRC on MJ.
Jordan was a very good defender (though slightly overrated )much better than Steph. But it still happens nothing can be done when e a player is really feeling it.
Not sure what posting Dame's 50 point game on Steph really has to do with anything.
Pip was their doberman defender that allowed MJ to score all those points. He was a good defender, but Pip was a great defender.
On a side note, if Kobe had a Pip his whole career, and be allowed to only score, he'd be thisclose to surpassing KAJ'S all-time scoring mark. He had Ariza and MWP for a few years, but that's about it.
this is why I love lakers fans... Like in any point of his career Kobe was not allowed to only score... oh boy... so much stupidity
Yeah like that stopped him from not putting any effort on defense and focusing only on shooting bricks for the most part of his career, Javier
Pippen is so much more valuable than Shaq. I'd rather have the scoring mark than being carried to 5 rings
Homer? I'm no bulls or Jordan fan sucker but to say curry has a more complete offensive game is ridiculous. Did you miss how Jordan mastered the post as he got older? You think maybe Jordan is the reason we know who kerr paxson and guys like that are? He could shoot from anywhere, get to the basket, get to the line score from the post get his teammates open shots and led by example how much more complete can you get? Not to mention pussy curry wouldn't exist without toadys WNBA rules.
You could make the converse of the argument, that bigs have dominated in the NBA for so long because rules were designed to allow them to use their size and strength to overpower other players. If the league had been interested in calling things as they were, Shaq would have fouled out of 80% of the games he played in due to his penchant for hip/elbow checking the defender out of the way on the way to the hoop.
Hand-checking has obviously made a difference in penetration ability of players today, but so has the zone. You'd be absurd to suggest that Jordan wouldn't find a way to dominate much like he did in the 90s, but I think it's ludicrous to suggest that Steph would have struggled any more than he is now in the 90s. People who call him "the greatest shooter ever" are actually doing him a disservice at this point. Curry has some of the finest handles in the league, maybe in history, and also has one of the quickest releases in the NBA, and it's pure. Curry is that kid that shows up at the Y and his team wins 15-3 because he drills 5-6 3s every single game. Except he's doing it in the NBA at an elite level with entire teams scheming to limit him.
I still think Jordan is a better offensive player, but with that aside I've never seen anything like Curry. I don't think anyone has. If the game were that drastically changed, I don't think we'd see Tim Duncan having a reign of dominance that stretches for two decades. Deandre Jordan would probably not even be on the floor if size and strength were still such vital attributes, as he's not a particularly great defender and can't hit a shot outside of 8 feet to save his life. The capacity for big men to control the game is still there, but in part because the rules have changed, and in part because we have more skilled guards than we've ever seen in the NBA have altered the landscape. Can you imagine Curry playing in the half-assed defensive era of the 80s?
Great point, the problem is that the league has changed in a way that gives an advantage to the offensive players, and the rule has not been changed to be more restrictive in regards to offensive fouls. If anything, moving screens and offensive fouls are now rarely called.
With hand-checking, Curry would be contained easier on his drives. His handles are phenomenal and he is like a cross between Mark Price and Steve Kerr, but the rules have allowed the game to be opened up, allowing him much more room to operate. I am not saying he will struggle and be a Steve Kerr in the 90s, I am saying he'd be a Mark Price on steroids in the 90s.
You point about Duncan speaks to how great he is. He changed with the times, much like what Jabbar did from the late 60s to the mid 80s.I still think Jordan is a better offensive player, but with that aside I've never seen anything like Curry. I don't think anyone has. If the game were that drastically changed, I don't think we'd see Tim Duncan having a reign of dominance that stretches for two decades. Deandre Jordan would probably not even be on the floor if size and strength were still such vital attributes, as he's not a particularly great defender and can't hit a shot outside of 8 feet to save his life. The capacity for big men to control the game is still there, but in part because the rules have changed, and in part because we have more skilled guards than we've ever seen in the NBA have altered the landscape. Can you imagine Curry playing in the half-assed defensive era of the 80s?
Deandre Jordan is doing what he's doing because of his athleticism, much like how players like Stromile Swift had a job in the 00s for so long despite the total lack of IQ. The fact that Deandre Jordan is such a factor speaks to the dearth of bigs in the league today.
Curry would have been the bomb on the 80s, he'd probably average 40 ppg, but I don't see him doing that in the 90s.
but I like the bit....every great black player is a cross between 2 pretty good white players.
Well, Curry is a sharpshooter and a floor general. Those are usually attributes used to describe (however inaccurately) white players. So I get the comparison.
I guess. It was just a very odd couple of names to come up with when the cross or two good players results in the greatest player in the NBA having maybe the best season ever.
Have you seen Price play? Price on steroids is quite a compliment.
I'm done with this argument so don't bother quoting me. All the proof of the argument is still in the reference snippet I made. You guys still failed to mentions stats...so it really doesn't matter to me what you say if you can't back it up with real reasoning. I've been on too much forums too long to be so beta as to continuously argue my point in an indirect and insecure measuring contest of denial in which someone tries to one up me per George Carlin. Especially people who don't want to learn or back up with sources. There's always this random clique of people who never often check this nba forum who come in with their rage to quote me. They don't probably don't even know I'm a spurs fan...not that it would matter. This is directed anyone in advance and anyone right now.
I'll stop sounding like I'm insulting people anymore but sometimes.......SOMETIMES people get on my nerves here.
I'm not a genius or narcissistic about my arguments but I take perspective to make sure I'm solid. I know what I'm talking about but everyone makes mistakes.
I'll humor you guys though since I'm bored and have time.
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As I said, Jordan was an elite two way and two point player which was overall better than Curry. Jordan was an elite two point player but there's various ways to score two points. Curry has no size to post up smaller players (185 and 6"2). He can't even post up most point guards. Its an unfair comparison which is why comparisons like this always get your type of reaction. If you're going to compare the two, there will always be an physical disadvantage between the two which naturally leads these players to their style of play. Most of all, That isn't Curry's role. Its Harrison Barnes and Klay Thompson who has those type of plays set for them based off their offense. Curry is elite at what he can do given his natural intangibles and tangibles which is similar to what JJ Re did to stay in the league and to become the leagues best three point percentage shooter. Kawhi just passed him recently for percentage to lead the league. I remember it was close.
You say Jordan mastered the post. He did. I say Curry mastered the three point shot. He did. They are elite for reasons which is why this thread was made in the first place. Jordan could not shoot from anywhere as his three point percentage Boldly says. Don't sugarcoat it because its Jordan. For 9 seasons of his career, he shot less than 30 percent from three. For 5 of them, he shot less than 20%. JORDAN Could not shoot from anywhere on the court as efficiently as Curry could. You could have said the same thing I said. It wasn't Jordan's role to shoot threes. It was Paxson, Armstrong, Kukuc, Kerr, Harper, etc.
"Not to mention pussy curry wouldn't exist without toadys WNBA rules." This does not make an argument at all. That's sheer anger and hyperbole. If you're trying to infer that Curry gets to the line much, I'll tell you right now that He's not even top 20 in freethrow attempts. He's 23rd. He doesn't need nor depends on officiating to win games. Rather, teams foul him (various go uncalled) on threes, screens, and etc because they can't stop him. James Harden has double the the amount of free throw attempts and is a way tier player and terrible player to watch. Save your anger for players who fake flop, exaggerate contact. make cheap ass plays to get a reaction out of the officials. All these plays make basketball unbearable to watch. Players who all the time with a "no credit" reputation behind it are as ty as well. Players who use their off arm to get open attempts at the basket because that's ALWAYS an offensive foul even if the officials don't call. These players have no real skill to me which is why there's a difference between respect and quality when spectating them.
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Curry is able to distribute the ball better 5.3 career assists career average for Jordan and 6.9 for Curry; end of story. You could say that Jordan wasn't a point guard. it wasn't his role to pass the damn ball but he did. He did it an above average rate than other shooting guards in league history and efficiently because of his elite dribbling skills. I don't remember saying that Curry was efficient at passing he is going to average more assists then him. I expect him to turnover the ball granted he's the point.
The Warriors play at a higher pace than any team during Jordan's era, which leads to a heavy amount of field goal attempts and more possessions to turnover the ball. The Bulls never played at the pace the Warriors did. The Bulls (72-10, Pace 91.1; 69-13, 90.0). The current Warriors play at a pace of 99.9 (14-15 98.3). The warriors already have almost twice as much three point field goal makes than the the 72-10 bulls(544 to 708). The Warriors will pass them in field goal attempts in about 17 games, give or take. They are currently 7th as a team in turnovers per game.
Curry also averages 19.8 field goal attempts per game which. This is why I said he's a combo guard and a shooting guard if you take the perspective of that position literally. Draymond Green also plays point guard to set up curry so Curry can play a shooting guard roll off curls, elevators, backdoor screens, and horns to set up Curry on multiple plays for threes which takes his assists down. Draymond already has 11 triple doubles this season for a reason. This keeps Curry's usage and assists down. Their team philosophy on offense is ball movement and movement without the ball; a hockey assist team.
Jordan had a usage of over 31.7 for 12 of 15 seasons he was in the league. 2 seasons were over 38%. One of them I mentioned earlier. Curry's highest usage was 33% and that's only this year. Every other percentage of usage was under 29%
Jordan averaged 28.2 on scoring his first year. He averaged 37.1 (38% Usage)his 3rd year which is ridiculous in these times. His three point shooting and free throw shooting however brought his true shooting down in those undisputed seasons. Curry since his third season has always had a true shooting above 58%. Didn't average the points though but more efficient on his sample size.
Curry's best true shooting is this season which is 67%; better than any true shooting Jordan has ever had in his career. His highest is 61% of all his seasons. Curry had a true shooting of 63% in 14-15 and 61% in 13-14; a sudden steep incline in efficiency.
What Jordan Truly trumps Curry without argument is defense. Jordan could guard any guard in the league. Not all positions I would say small forwards and guard. Curry can't guard the depth of point guards in the league and has to be hidden on other players. He's taken the challenge but has failed most of the time. Factoring his intangibles, he doesn't have the athleticism or the size to do so. Its not his role to defend the opponents best player. Its rather, someone else who has the athleticism, size, and length like Iggy, Thompson, or Green. They still have to hide Curry on defense against athletic point guards. Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Harper himself. He had everything to stop his assignment and his natural abilities to his advantage. He won defensive player of the year, that says everything. He also steals the ball To stop opponents offenses. Curry can't block shots...but he can steal the ball. He won't average more steals than Jordan will.
As for 45% being a layup. That was hyperbole for how great of a shooter curry is but you took it literal to create an ad hominem. Good for you.
There's also knowledge and technology differences between these players era's that keep them from being compared properly. All teams today have analytics today.
I believe Curry and Jordan would dominate in each other's era's, even if they were switched because of their mental perseverance. The would continue to persist. Jordan and Curry despite their individual performances, needed their a cohesive brand of teammates to get the job done.
Curry is ruling the league in the day that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the league and three point percentage is getting crazy. The league has gotten crazy strategic and you can't get it done with one player.
Three point shooting trumps two point shooting when done right and efficiently which is what the Warriors are doing. The Warriors can go big if needed with Bogut and Ezeli but their small ball creates heavy spacing.
Curry would dominate a league that wasn't in love with the three point shot. The league had great three point shooters....but they did not shoot on the volume Curry did. Most of these players in the 90's don't even have half the amount of attempts that Curry had in single season. , it would take most of the best three point shooters from the 90's 2 to 4 seasons to make how many threes Curry has made in one season over that past four seasons Curry has been in the league. Teams would have to inevitably double him and the pace of the league would increase. Curry already is still dominating despite the adjustments made in the modern era. He shoots over people without thinking about it.
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Curry is hitting a ridiculous 38.9% of his 3-points attempts after at least two dribbles, per NBAsavant.com. "
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/stephen-curry-video-games-nba-2k16
That's on an awful attempt for anyone else but himself.
Alright. I written to much. Whatever....submit
You think he needs more rings to surpass Michael Jordan?
Yes. He'd be undefeatable.
Winning is a team accomplishment.
Yes. And a pumped up Mark Price would be the centerpiece of any team.
Mark price was the centre piece of a contender. A pumped up one would be the centrepiece of at least a finalist.
I know. I just said a short while ago that he'd be undefeatable. Do you have Alzheimer's?
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