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    did i ever imply that there were blm activists who routinely plan to assault and rob people as part of their campaign?

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    did i ever imply that there were blm activists who routinely plan to assault and rob people as part of their campaign?
    You entertained the notion that the perps in the OP were activists, so yes. You did.

    You still think they could be BLM activists because of their "vigorous action."

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    You entertained the notion that the perps in the OP were activists, so yes. You did.
    when did i imply that they routinely planned to assault and rob people?

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    when did i imply that they routinely planned to assault and rob people?
    You implied this was their vigorous activism.

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    You implied this was their vigorous activism.
    vigorous could just mean forceful or with a use of strength, which could describe the actions in the OP

    i'll ask again, when did i imply that they routinely planned to assault and rob people?

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    vigorous could just mean forceful or with a use of strength, which could describe the actions in the OP

    i'll ask again, when did i imply that they routinely planned to assault and rob people?
    By characterizing their actions as activism, genius.

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    ping pong

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    By characterizing their actions as activism, genius.
    lol. its possible to be an activist and commit one assault. i never suggested that blm activists routinely planned to assault and rob people

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    I think it could certainly be argued that they were activists, particularly by the definition I posted. A "campaign" doesn't have to be a peaceful and respectable one. That said, I already opined that we don't know enough details to make the claim that they were blm activists, but I don't think it can be ruled out.

    No. I didn't attempt to discredit the whole movement with this example. That's you connecting dots that aren't there. I never suggested that the larger blm body advocates this sort of violence


    Quite an impressive strawman coming from the guy who goes on and on about formal logical fallacies



    I have also opined that this story isn't relevant on a larger or national scale, and certainly not important enough to spend a lot of time discussing. I just thought it was wrong to claim "they aren't blm activists" when the definitions of activist doesn't really rule that out at all
    Now see, that is the kind of fleshing out that was needed. Your original post didn't really go through any of this, so I had to guess what you meant/think. As you rightly pointed out I got it wrong.

    Thank you for elaborating.

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    Now see, that is the kind of fleshing out that was needed. Your original post didn't really go through any of this, so I had to guess what you meant/think.

    Thank you.
    or you could try not creating strawmen next time

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    or you could try not creating strawmen next time
    It isn't quite a strawman if the original assertions were rather poorly made.

    As noted, I had to guess, and said as much. I asked for some explanation, and, when none was forthcoming, took my best shot at addressing what I thought your point was, after I gave you a bit of time to outline it.

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    It isn't quite a strawman if the original assertions were rather poorly made.

    As noted, I had to guess, and said as much. I asked for some explanation, and, when none was forthcoming, took my best shot at addressing what I thought your point was, after I gave you a bit of time to outline it.
    it absolutely is a strawman if i never said ANYTHING about blacks being disproportionally killed by police in this thread

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    Hmm. Still not quite following your point.I kinda get it, but the whole thing was a bit ill-formed. No offense.
    So to get to your point, poorly made as it is.
    I gave a day or two for a response, and admitted I didn't quite understand. Be happy to, and would prefer to, address your actual positions.

    Again, thanks for clearing it up a bit.

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    Strawman:

    A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.
    my response timing is irrelevant

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    it absolutely is a strawman if i never said ANYTHING about blacks being disproportionally killed by police in this thread

    Does this mean somehow that black males aren't disproportionally and/or unnecessarily killed by the police?

    You still need to flesh it out.
    Sorry, questions aren't assertions. I was asking you, again, to flesh out what you meant, based on what I thought you said.

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    questions aren't assertions
    randomguy did you stop beating your wife?

    you just randomly decided to ask a question like that (which had nothing to do with my point at all)?

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    lol. its possible to be an activist and commit one assault. i never suggested that blm activists routinely planned to assault and rob people
    You did. The only vigorous action here was the assault and robbery.

    Be more careful next time.

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    You did. The only vigorous action here was the assault and robbery.

    Be more careful next time.
    Show me were I suggested that they routinely planned to commit assault

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    Show me were I suggested that they routinely planned to commit assault
    You tried to apply the definition.

    You're free to back off it now.

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    You tried to apply the definition.

    You're free to back off it now.
    lol. its possible to be an activist and commit one assault. i never suggested that blm activists routinely planned to assault and rob people

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    You portrayed the assault as activism.

    Your mistake.

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    You portrayed the assault as activism.

    Your mistake.
    No I didn't. I portrayed the men as possible activists. That doesn't mean everything they ever do falls under activism.

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    No I didn't. I portrayed the men as possible activists. That doesn't mean everything they ever do falls under activism.
    The only vigorous action you attributed to them was the assault and robbery and vigorous action was the only way you tried to define activism.

    Your mistake.

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    The only vigorous action you attributed to them was the assault and robbery and vigorous action was the only way you tried to define activism.

    Your mistake.
    Sure, you're correct there.

    I never said or suggested they routinely planned assaults and robberies. You're mistaken there.

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    Sure, you're correct there.

    I never said or suggested they routinely planned assaults and robberies. You're mistaken there.
    no you said that this one in particular was a BLM activist. you were trying the typical breitbart racist guilt by association schtick.

    it's fairly typical for those feeling racial guilt to do that type of moral relativism.

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