Woj: Andre Miller Has Agreed to Sign with Spurs

[cd98]

He's insurance as a back up with smarts, toughness, and defense. He uses his strength to muscle point guards and he won't get abused by bigs on switches. Not going to play him 30 minutes...he's a 5 minutes player in the playoffs. He want get posted up by Livingston.

[Robz4000]

Exactly. And in the playoffs I doubt Simmons will get very many minutes. His minutes will go to Butler because Butler has shown consistently to make few mistakes and hit open shots. So we agree.

My original argument was that you said Miller is a better signing than KMart, which he isn't. This team needs more 3-point shooting bad, and Andre Miller doesn't provide it.

[MaNu4Tres]

I can't see any other reason for it. He's a horrible shooter.

They'll have to hide Andre on the worst offensive player IF he plays any meaningful minutes and the offense and spacing will be horrendous with him on the floor.Only value he brings is leadership and knowledge. He shld not play any minutes outside of mop up minutes/ games Tony sits.

[SupremeGuy]

If this were 2006, Miller would make a great Spur.

I know PATFO wouldn't sign him if they didn't think he could help but I hope it doesn't cost us Butler...

it, we should give this the benefit of the doubt.

[MaNu4Tres]

Miller for his defense. He's always been able to switch and guard bigs with his size and strength. This is all about match ups with GS.

He can't move. You need quickness to defend guards, this isn't 1989.

[cd98]

He can't move. You need quickness to defend guards, this isn't 1989.

He can move enough and use his strength to wear down guards and post them up. Speed has never been a part of his game.

[Mal]

Who was cut ?

[SpurPadre]

The old fetish continues with this franchise.

[Robz4000]

Who was cut ?

No one yet. Spurs will decide tomorrow and Miller will sign Monday.

[TD 21]

I imagine they'd play both of them together with Mills at SG.

I know Martin is just speculation, but suffice it to say, Stein has a strong track record with these sorts of things over the years. So let's presume it happens. They'd seriously play Miller over him period, but especially against the Warriors?

If they do, that's insane. He's the worst possible fit next to Ginobili and obviously not good enough to relegate the latter to off ball duties. This smacks of desperation.

I know the options were limited after the big moves were taken care of last summer and they pretty much did as good as possible to fill out the roster, but win or lose it all, they really need to get younger, in the back half of the roster, this summer.

[Shastafarian]

My original argument was that you said Miller is a better signing than KMart, which he isn't. This team needs more 3-point shooting bad, and Andre Miller doesn't provide it.

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

[MaNu4Tres]

He can move enough and use his strength to wear down guards and post them up. Speed has never been a part of his game.

Lol. In what world is Andre Miller a good defender?

Do some of yall watch basketball outside of the Spurs?

[Robz4000]

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

Martin has been playing on one of the worst teams since 2012-2013 where he was expected to be a top option, and was also expected to in the past. On the Spurs he'd be a 15 minutes a game bench player who won't be expected to do too much. He isn't the greatest pick-up but he fills a few needs, unlike Miller.

[Kawhitstorm]

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

How is Marco doing this season playing on a ty team? Do you think it's by coincidence Marco became an efficient scorer playing in the Spurs system after being a 39% shooter even on a playoff team with ty offense like the Bulls?

[SAGirl]

Manu insurance? other than that, I don't get it

That + mentoring. Very much like Pop to want to get mentors for young guys he likes and who are likely part of the teams future. He famously wanted J.Kidd to mentor Tony. He qgot Kawhi together with Pippen earlier in Kawhi's career and has made noise of wanting Kobe to mentor Kawhi a bit.

This season he got Butler and now Miller to mentor, as well as give time to develop to Anderson and Simmons. Ray is the unknown. I am unsure how much they like him, but Pop has had praise for the other two at different times so they are not lost causes.

[MaNu4Tres]

Lol use his strength to wear down guards?

Is the NBA implementing a round of wrestling between quarters or something?

[SpursFan86]

I know Martin is just speculation, but suffice it to say, Stein has a strong track record with these sorts of things over the years. So let's presume it happens. They'd seriously play Miller over him period, but especially against the Warriors?

If they do, that's insane. He's the worst possible fit next to Ginobili and obviously not good enough to relegate the latter to off ball duties.

Oh well if we also get Martin then I definitely agree that there's really no place for him...especially against GS.

Also agree that Miller is a pretty terrible fit next to Manu. Miller is extremely ball-dominant and can't shoot...not really the type of guy you want on a bench featuring Manu/Diaw.

Mills/Martin/Manu just seems so much more logical than Miller/Mills/Manu ( , that's a lot of M's ). I have a hard time seeing how PATFO could go with Miller unless a) they're also planning on getting Martin, and Miller is just Manu insurance or b) Martin doesn't end up reaching a buyout agreement with Minnesota.

[sasaint]

I know PATFO wouldn't sign him if they didn't think he could help but I hope it doesn't cost us Butler...

it, we should give this the benefit of the doubt.

PATFO is not infallible but they do deserve the benefit of the doubt. I hate to see us jettison anybody except Bonner for this guy. And I still hope we can get KMart, but I don't really want to jettison any more of our other guys for a short-term rental. Butler has been a great veteran who delivers when called upon. Of our young prospects, Kyle and Simmons both seem safe to me, so Ray seems to be the other expendable. I kind of hate to see him go just because he seems kind of like a young unknown, and RC hyped him pretty highly when we got him.

[Shastafarian]

Martin has been playing on one of the worst teams since 2012-2013 where he was expected to be a top option, and was also expected to in the past. On the Spurs he'd be a 15 minutes a game bench player who won't be expected to do too much. He isn't the greatest pick-up but he fills a few needs, unlike Miller.

He hasn't been expected to be a top option in months. I think his % would go up on the Spurs but like I said, 3pt hitting 4th wings are further down the list than potential backup PGs.

How is Marco doing this season playing on a ty team? Do you think it's by coincidence Marco became an efficient scorer playing in the Spurs system after being a 39% shooter even on a playoff team with ty offense like the Bulls?

I don't think it's coincidence. I also don't think the Spurs need a 4th wing scorer more than a true backup PG.

[SpurPadre]

I'm worried this means Manu might be out for the rest of the year, especially if we still get Martin.

[cd98]

Lol. In what world is Andre Miller a good defender?

Do some of yall watch basketball outside of the Spurs?

Yes, I've watched him since he was a star point guard at the Univ. of Utah. He's always been a rugged defender without foot speed. He's not a 30 minute a game player anymore, but he can give the Spurs minutes in the playoffs that over other third string point guards that can't defend or shoot, like Ray.

[LittleCriminal]

Maybe cut bonner and Ray for Miller and Kmart.. That would be nice..

[Robz4000]

He hasn't been expected to be a top option in months. I think his % would go up on the Spurs but like I said, 3pt hitting 4th wings are further down the list than potential backup PGs.

I don't think it's coincidence. I also don't think the Spurs need a 4th wing scorer more than a true backup PG.

The Spurs don't need a backup PG. We've been over this.

[ace3g]

[cd98]

Lol use his strength to wear down guards?

Is the NBA implementing a round of wrestling between quarters or something?

He can post up Curry. He's always been good at posting guards. He's found his way onto NBA rosters every year and the Spurs are willing to cut someone to add him, so NBA GMs, including RC see something you don't.