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I'm speaking strictly of the older generation that mindlessly bashes younger people, particularly with the NBA and any form of music, which is where it is most prevalent..
I already see it in people my age (early 20s) always bashing on kids today growing up with iPads and iPhones
I'm speaking strictly of the older generation that mindlessly bashes younger people, particularly with the NBA and any form of music, which is where it is most prevalent..
when I was growing up we still played outside
lol I think it's just a natural bias that all generations have no matter the age.
I already see it in people my age (early 20s) always bashing on kids today growing up with iPads and iPhones
lol I think it's just a natural bias that all generations have no matter the age.
Almost every shot he made was contested. He was handchecked with two hands constantly.
I've seen more athleticism and defense from my rec-league back in college. ing hilariously atrocious level of play for the world's best players.
It's really sad/egotistical.
I'm speaking strictly of the older generation that mindlessly bashes younger people, particularly with the NBA and any form of music, which is where it is most prevalent..
Some people have so much of who they are wrapped up in a game, they can't appreciate greatness when it's right in front of them.
I love my Spurs and think they still have a shot this year, but Curry is a ing supernova. He's doing no one has done since MJ or at the very least prime LeBron, but even LeBron wasn't scary like Curry is scary.
Hyperbole is great!
I've seen more athleticism and defense from my rec-league back in college. ing hilariously atrocious level of play for the world's best players.
I played with a guy who was 6'8" 280 pounds and got kicked out of the rec-center for doing a flat-footed windmill dunk.
He would have gone for 25 and 15 in that NBA.
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What I find sad are people that think this is a zero sum game. I have never seen anyone shoot as well as he does and his ball handling is absolutely elite. The defense of the modern era is still lacking in fundamentals. You just watched the Rockets playing last night. Harden and Howardepitomize the phenomenon I'm talking about. Stoudemire has said that no one ever taught him how to play defense. The Warriors themselves play great fundamental defense. That doesn't mean that their opponents do.
Curry can only play the people that are available and do the best he can. He deserves all the credit that they get. Modern defense is still ing awful for most teams.
What is really going on here is your trying to glorify yourself through your generation because you identify as such. It's not a zero sum game though. People around here really need to look for their tao.
So since you don't see the isoball hijinks you are so fond of they aren't athletic. Got it.
You are aware that the NCAA banned dunking in 1969 in an effort to retain skill in its players? It's a different era.
So you cherry pick the laziest team in the NBA as an example of terrible defense? Well of course they're going to look bad. Of course it's not a zero sum game, the only person suggesting it is is The Big O. He's the one boiling down the incredible Curry is doing to "bad defense". Implying he wouldn't be a force in the NBA in Oscar's day.
Look at that video again and tell me who's going to stop a guy with Curry's speed, handles with both hands, and quick release. Not happening.
Disagree with the idea that today's NBA defenses are worse. They are by and large the best the league has ever seen. Of course this is a difficult point to prove other than pointing out how incredibly slow to react and slow to the ball the defenders in Oscar's highlight video are. There is no "attack" in the NBA defenses of the past eras, and it only really started with the Piston/Bull era. Even Lakers/Celtics videos in the ing finals have some pretty lazy defense being played.
Vehemently disagree. It's a recognition of the skill Curry brings to the table.What is really going on here is your trying to glorify yourself through your generation because you identify as such.
90% of that video was Oscar alone with the ball, dribbling to a random spot on the court and pulling up for a J. I guess those aren't "hijinks" but it's nothing special at all. And I'm not selling him short either, he was obviously a great, well-rounded player.
those oscar vids look relatively similar to old-man paul pierce
Cherry pick? It was the last game we played. Are they even objectively the worst? Nope they aren't. Sacramento, LAL, and Suns are easily much worse. I'm guessing the rest of this is reactionary baseless assertion too.
I like how you quote me mocking highlight reel analysis and then go ahead and do it anyway. I don't think Havlicek, Robertson or West looked slow. I think the framerate and angles of those 1960s cameras make it look time lapsed. I have no doubt taht all you are going by is what you 'feel' and that is demonstrably unrelaiable.
You can disagree all you like but your alternate plan of Curry's inherent greatness does not deduce your own self-aggrandizement. It's not mutual exclusive in fact one depends on the other.
Your making unprovable assertions and coming at me with this macho posturing. I'm glad your friend could dunk.
lol inflated 60s ball making players look better than they were
The highest team FG% in the 61-62 season, where Oscar averaged 30.8-11.4-12.5, was 43.9%. The league average FG% this year so far is 45%. But we must remember there was no 3 point line back then so to make this fair, the league average 2p% this year 48.9%.
Well, this must mean Oscar was right! Teams in the early 60s must have played lockdown defense. Well not exactly. The lowest team pace in the 61-62 season was 122(highest was 130!), meanwhile today the highest current pace is 100.1
They were less skilled on both sides of the ball, and honestly players from back then shouldn't be involved in modern NBA discussion. It's a completely different game.
The current Mr Universe winners are nothing compared to what Charles Atlas was.
Your stats of lower FG% don't detract from the argument that defense was better back then. The conventional wisdom is to pick up the pace for easier scores so higher pace should mean higher FG %. That it is lower belies your narrative.lol inflated 60s ball making players look better than they were
The highest team FG% in the 61-62 season, where Oscar averaged 30.8-11.4-12.5, was 43.9%. The league average FG% this year so far is 45%. But we must remember there was no 3 point line back then so to make this fair, the league average 2p% this year 48.9%.
Well, this must mean Oscar was right! Teams in the early 60s must have played lockdown defense. Well not exactly. The lowest team pace in the 61-62 season was 122(highest was 130!), meanwhile today the highest current pace is 100.1
They were less skilled on both sides of the ball, and honestly players from back then shouldn't be involved in modern NBA discussion. It's a completely different game.
Er, I mixed up two points I was trying to make. Oscar played in a time where defense was not very good, because of this he put up good numbers. FG %s were low which gives the impression that defenses were good, but really the offensive players weren't. If the offensive players weren't good, then how did they score so much? ridiculously high pace. Every team ran the ball down the court and got a shot off within 10 seconds.
Oscar says that he was pressured from the in bounds back in his day, like nearly every other guard back then. He suggests defenses are worse because they don't play full court press all game(and that coaches today don't know basketball because of it LOL). Well, you can only get away pressuring the ball on poor ball handlers, but there aren't many of those left today. Pressure the ball from the in bounds today and they'll make you pay.
You see good defense in this video? I see bad offense. Really bad offense. I count at least 12 air balls in the first ten minutes. Some open shots, some contested jumpers taken 5 or 6 seconds after getting the ball down the court.
Baron Davis knows what's up
Its so stupid whenever people bring up handcheck. For christ's sake the illegal defense change is so much worse and its not even close. They thought the offenses would completely collapse when they first introduced it, and it took sometime for gameplans to change and the offense to turn into what it is today.
Basketball is getting better. Get over it.
The only problem I have is that I see a complete disregard for the fundamentals of the game from this newer crop of highschool/middle school kids, the ones that don't have it sit back and chuck from 40 feet away after taking one dribble.
I know you were, but not all criticism from older people lacks merit. As I said in my old vs. new thread, music, for instance, has gotten much more simplistic and formulaic over the past decade, and the mastering of it is truly terrible (this isn't a recent "Millennial thing" either, the Loudness Wars started in the mid-90s).
I'm speaking strictly of the older generation that mindlessly bashes younger people, particularly with the NBA and any form of music, which is where it is most prevalent..
Agreed that the older generation of NBA players and athletes in general are too damn sensitive. I understand it, since athletes are natural compe ors and don't want to admit today's players are better, but they should also understand there would be no "modern" player without the groundwork they laid in the past (that's also why I don't usually criticize the skills of past players. The evolution had to start somewhere. Modern players weren't just magically created out of thin air. So I appreciate the revolution Cousy brought to ball handling, what Kareem brought to post play, what Maravich brought to playmaking).
So no need for past players to be salty. The modern game doesn't exist without them. They're forever a part of it.
Those would be the parents of his date.
Relative defense was better. Pretty sure you don't want to go down the road of absolutes without your logical fallacy handbook.
It's actually quite easy to prove. Shaq didn't score 100 points in a game.
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