I'm sure you have all heard of the saying "whoever dicates the pace, wins the game". This is obviously true in so many forms against the warriors but how exactly can the spurs manage to slow the game down? Here's a few randoms.
In defense
- Deny the Pass. One of the main reasons why the warriors have so many shots per game is that they take a lot of first option and second option shots. Thompson and Curry always take the first good shot they get, they're not passing that up.
- Pressure full court. The warriors set some of the most amazing sets in basketball. The execution is top notch. By applying pressure full court pressure, you shave off a few seconds in their shotclock to start a set. This is one of the main reasons why Pop heavily experimented with Simmons in their last game because he was the most willing to apply pressure full court.
In offense
- 4 people run backwards, Aldridge crash the board. Offensive boards are just as good as perimter transition defense in killing transition offense. GSW is a deadly transition team. If they're playing small, no reason not to go for the offensive boards by one or two of the bigs.
- Post up offense kills pace, but we already do that so props for pop for recognizing.
- Do not attack the PnR or Pop in their small ball lineup. Post up! If Varejao and Bogut isnt on the floor...post the up.
Really agree about posting them up. Trying to out run then is not a great idea. Also if you watch the game winning shot of the OKC game with them you get a tutorial on how not to guard Steph Curry. Turning your back on him past half court is not a great idea.
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Curry has 2 point forwards and other shooter atg playing beside him, Spurs unfortunately has no human material to face this kind of anomaly
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Great post OP, agree on all points. Of course these things are easier said than done.
I'm really hoping the Thunder drop to 4th place. They give the Warriors a tough fight and I'd like to get some revenge on the Clippers.
This is probably the Spurs best hope.
This is a good topic for your podcast Apa
None of this matters if teams keep beating themselves against this team. They still haven't figured out that, as soon as Curry crosses mid court, range is not a factor and neither is a contest. You have to influence the shooting pocket.
There was a perfect example of this last night. Thompson appeared to have an open corner three, but Roberson recovered just in time and stuck his hand essentially in Thompson's shooting pocket. Thompson ended up shooting outside of his pocket and missed.
There's obviously no magic elixir here and it's all easier said than done, but as we discussed with the pick-and-roll defense and off ball screens, teams need to stop doing the same .
Teams have tried to overplay Curry & he just kills you by going backdoor. The best option is to leave Klay on Kawhi Island like Hayward & let Danny use his transition defense prowess against Curry. Don't mind leaving Tony on Barnes & baiting him into taking shots away from Curry either.
This is probably the only Porker/Patty can do against Curry on the defensive end.Pressure full court. The warriors set some of the most amazing sets in basketball. The execution is top notch. By applying pressure full court pressure, you shave off a few seconds in their shotclock to start a set. This is one of the main reasons why Pop heavily experimented with Simmons in their last game because he was the most willing to apply pressure full court.(KCP/Avery Bradley had success doing it) They will be spent if they did it for 48 minutes but the offense is going to run through LMA/Kawhi so might as well go for it.
I've been saying LMA should stick to pounding the offensive glass along w/ sealing Draymond & scoring off high-low passes rather than to back him down w/ 3-4 dribbles. This will also bait Draymond into his trademark Kamikaze drives on fastbreaks which he ends up botching 25% of the time. Pop should drill players to draw charges in transition b/c Draymond usually likes straight line drives & doesn't have a Euro step. (Danny is best suited for tracking Draymond in transition if Porker is on Curry)4 people run backwards, Aldridge crash the board. Offensive boards are just as good as perimter transition defense in killing transition offense. GSW is a deadly transition team. If they're playing small, no reason not to go for the offensive boards by one or two of the bigs.
If Tim is on the floor, then he should be the one crashing the offensive boards since he can't get back on defense even if he tried.
Posting up Dr. Dre on Curry is a no brainerPost up offense kills pace, but we already do that so props for pop for recognizing
The only one who should be posting up is Kawhi but LMA just can't do anything in the post against Draymond unless he's shooting his trademark right shoulder fadeaway rather than trying to go middle.Do not attack the PnR or Pop in their small ball lineup. Post up! If Varejao and Bogut isnt on the floor...post the up.
Two things teams can take advantage of is the Worriers turnovers (ala the Kawhi game) & scoring in transition off long rebounds ala the Pistons (just do chuck up low percentage 3s like Westbrick).
Memo: Don't commit live ball turnovers.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 02-28-2016 at 05:02 PM.
That's why you have to deny him the inbound pass & full court pressure him if he gets the pass instead of letting him survey the floor then picking you apart.
As far as shooting pockets, Klay has a quick release so it won't be possible to recover on him often but he & Barnes are their worst playmakers so if you run them off the 3 then it's a win. Barnes is usually shooting practice 3 with no soul around him b/c they run the drag screens to get the help defender away from the shooter.
Teams should just make Draymond a scorer on the PnRs rather than a playmaker b/c dude blows layups & sometimes the rotating is perfect which allows teams to challenge his shot at the rim (that's what the Cavs did early in the series before he got benched for David Lee who the Cavs had to respect as a scorer which led to them rotating off shooters.......the weird thing was they started playing Draymond the same way when he didn't prove he could kill them as a scorer).
Along with hacking Bogut ala the 2013 series, I have faith in Pop trying to make Draymond a scorer just like he let Amare roam free in the 2005 series trying to prevent 3s (3>2). Draymond hasn't even scored 37 pts in his career let along averaging 37 pts in his series so take him out of his comfort zone.
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I'm trying to find an application for my podcast tbh. I'm hoping to release the first podcast by late march hopefully. Just trying to find the right equipmentThis is a good topic for your podcast Apa
Use an audio editing software to disguise your voice.
Here is an example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkVRFqd-f8
Last edited by JohnnyMax; 02-28-2016 at 06:14 PM.
That sounds great, but it's not realistic, for the most part. The only potential Curry defender, in the rotation, that the Spurs can afford to have burn energy like that, is Mills, who's unlikely to play a significant role in the series.
Topic would be great as ST Podcast Ep. # 1 though
I'm still working on my equipment. I also need a guest and a good amount are interested in listening but there's non existant interest to come up as a quest.
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You need to create another thread to ask who would like to come on as a guest. I vote for Chinook or SA Girl. But I think a raging UNT will be your best bet
I liked the Thunder's defensive game plan against the Warriors up until the last eight or so minutes. They treated Green as a wing instead of a big and guarded him accordingly. At the same time, they also treated Barnes/Livingston as bigs. If the Spurs still have 2012 Jack, he'd be perfect for this series. Anderson is probably the best they could do.
The advantage GS has from having a wing on Green is that Draymond can back them down. But that won't really work against Kawhi, Green or Anderson. The first one is obvious, but the second two are the guys who will only struggle if the whistle is against them. They're both great at stealing the ball from the poster. GS is great at this as a team, but they rely on the refs to let them hack at times. If the game is called evenly, it should mean that Green is neutralized as a scorer in exchange for LMA not doing much posting up Green.
So the only thing you really have to do in relation to Curry is not let Green get the ball. If he's the screener, switch (which would be easy if you have Leonard or Anderson on him). If Bogut or Barnes is is the screener, you hedge and let those guys beat you from inside the arc. The most important thing is that you don't give secondary help. If Bogut gets the ball at the elbow, you let him make his move. You don't have someone sink off Thompson to help.
In fact, besides the hedging scenario, the Spurs should NEVER help off Thompson or Barnes. Let the dunks happen; let the layups happen. Trust that your perimeter defenders can stay in or get back into the play. Don't give them an opportunity to get into a rhythm of passing the ball. It's clear from Green's outburst that there are some fragile egos in that locker room. Not letting Draymond touch the ball meaningfully or making Curry use all the possessions on two-pointers will wear on them psychologically.
Good analysis. Green is most deadly with him out there on the wing and drawing out bigs. I agree with treating him like a wing and begging him to score via a post up play. I'll live with those odds.
I heard somewhere on a broadcast that he is shooting like 28% from the post.
He's a great post play-maker though. That's why staying disciplined and not helping on two-pointers is key Parker and LMA just have to not let themselves be back-doored or rubbed off because they were caught ball-watching.
Great post. You should also include sticking to Curry 40 feet from the basket. He's already extended his range, so it was baffling to me why OKC was giving him wide open space 3-8 feet from behind the three-point line. If Curry's going to beat you off the dribble, so be it.
Good stuff.
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