Don't forget those sponsorship check though......Boban is out there eating.
Timberwolves are trying to get the maximum from the buyout. Martin is owed $7m next year and a player option of $7.3m year after next. They likely want a discount on that player option.
Martin has got to think that if at 33 years old, he can get a decent gig next year and the following. A good performance with a championship team pays dividends. Just ask Cojo, Baynes and Belinelli.
Jamal Crawford got the MLE under the old CBA at the same point of his career so it shouldn't be a problem unless he wets the bed like 2013 Stephen Jackson.
K-Mart is not in the same league as second unit guys like CoJo, Baynes or Beli. He's a borderline All-Star who got paid over $10 million per season...
If he's after money he'll get it from the Timberwolves in one way or another (either through a well negotiated buyout or just by collecting the $15m they owe him). I don't think he cares much about "dividends" down the road. He's just another veteran chasing a ring to wrap up his career.
He's being paid $7m a year, last time I looked Cojo, Belinelli and Baynes were making that kind of money.
I agree, he's a better player than any of these 3 and he knows that.
The question he has to ask himself is will he stay in limbo with the Wolves or will he sign with a contender and possibly make a difference. That's the $7.3m question and obviously it is a no-brainer even if he walks away from $7.3m.
He's owed the remainder of this year's salary and has a player option for next season.
Yeah so my point was that he doesn't need a stint with the Spurs to cash in later... he already has that contract right now.
Realistically speaking he's owed about $9 or $10m from the Wolves, so that's what they have to lose if they don't buy him out. I imagine he gets $5m from them + whatever he can have the Spurs pay him for this season and next. Financially speaking I imagine it's going to be a wash for him.
This being said I think he's just made negotiations with the Wolves tougher for himself by admitting he wants to go and play for a contender... I don't see what he gets from this.
Joseph is a significantly better player than Martin at this point. He and Beli are comparable, and Baynes is worse. There's a reason why Minny is entertaining buying him out of a $7-Million option. Neither side believes he's worth that much money.
I think the reason Minny is entertaining buying him out is because a player like him has no use to a team that's rebuilding. Smart to shave off finances that are allocated towards personnel that has no value towards rebuilding.
Some may say, "Well his experience is valuable to the younger players moving forward." You can get experience for a lot cheaper than 7 million.
CoJo is not better than Kevin Martin .......... better defender and that's about it!
Getting to the free throw line in the playoffs is truly a weapon......
All buyouts want to be on contenders thats why they drop by mar 1
That is true, however Martin has been one of the worst perimeter defenders at the wing for years now.
I'm not sure I'd like Martin on the Spurs. Spurs are better off giving Kyle all those minutes Martin would receive.
Have a feeling Pop would be playing the wrong guy if Martin does come to SA.
Really comes down to does he think he can bank more by coming off the bench for the Spurs or some other contender vs sitting a bunch of games for the Wolves. A good playoff run could net him another decent payday to finish off his career. Especially when you consider the cap goes up significantly so a lot teams will have money to spend and that's when teams are more likely to overpay (look at what the Mavs did with Wes Mathews after Deandre rejected them).
a) smart players (and agents) like to keep options open
b) there are contenders and "contenders"... it's not really the same going to the Spurs or to the Heat.
Getting bought out simply means keeping open the possibility of being on a playoffs roster. A player's value to more than half the teams in the league would seriously drop if said player can't play in the playoffs.
He's been awful this year. Pretty much career lows in every advanced or rate stat since his rookie year. I don't think people have realized this. Minny definitely wants to get the young guys minutes. But to be clear, it's not JUST because of that.
I don't think you've seen much basketball this year. Martin's been abysmal, and Joseph's been a primary reason for Toronto's surge.
I do realize he's overrated. However, I just think 7 million in today's NBA economy is a fair price for a player like Martin.
I actually hope he doesn't sign w/ SA so Pop doesn't reduce Anderson's minutes.
Not that I agree with this, but knowing Pop, once Manu comes back, Anderson likely doesn't see any minutes if Martin comes to SA.
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Martin will be the worst Spurs outside Miller if he's signed. Again, he's been really, really, really bad.
I haven't really watched him play, but can he be really worse than a 39 year old Andre Miller?
Yet their stats are eerily similar despite K-Mart playing 5 fewer mpg.
Anyway his 3p shooting (37%) and FT (88%) are just right where they've always been. K-Mart, if he signs, would definitely be used as a Manu insurance, kinda combo PG-SG. As with all the vets, his task would be quite limited: don't make stupid mistakes, don't turn the ball over, don't take bad shots, don't pass up on an open 3. It's not rocket science but that's where experience shines.
Let's not forget Boris Diaw wasn't all too great when he was with Charlotte, and although Martin isn't as versatile, as long as he is capable of atleast hitting a few good shots for us in playoffs, what more can we ask? Same thing with Miller.
They're only similar if you squint and eliminate everything that makes Joseph better.
Yet his TS% is lower than it's been every year but his rookie season. Could it be the 38 percent he's shooting from two?Anyway his 3p shooting (37%) and FT (88%) are just right where they've always been.
Martin has 2.8 assists per 100 possessions this year. To reference, Green has 3.6 ap100. They better not let that dude play point.K-Mart, if he signs, would definitely be used as a Manu insurance, kinda combo PG-SG.
Martin would have the worst A/TO of any Spur outside Boban and Simmons. He can only spot up from the left wing, which is nice, but the Spurs already have guys who shoot best from there. He's a known playoff choker, so I don't know that he has great playoff experience to draw from. And finally, the dude's a chucker. He's not Nick Young bad, but he would have the lowest eFG% out of any Spur this season.As with all the vets, his task would be quite limited: don't make stupid mistakes, don't turn the ball over, don't take bad shots, don't pass up on an open 3. It's not rocket science but that's where experience shines.
Diaw was always a Spur at heart. He just isn't consistently professional enough to play non-Spurs basketball. His usage percentage this season would be fifth-highest on the Spurs, fourth if you disregard Boban. And this is with him being really inefficient if the whistle isn't going for him.
This isn't completely true. K-Mart had a very good start to the season. All changed after he suffered an injury (mid December I think) which sidelined him for 4-5 games. By the time he came back, the Wolves had decided to start Wiggins at the 2, which cut K-Mart's minutes to not playing him at all. This was a Front Office decision in favor of a "we need to start developing the young guys" vision.
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