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    ...what? Bonner literally only had one skill and Pop treated him like his long lost son for years. Gary Neal didn't make the team because he showed any kind of balls...it's because he shot and made a bunch of threes. Pop loves gunners and chuckers...maybe not as starters, but he's always had a one or two buried on the bench.

    Gary Neal did make the team because he had balls and wasn't afraid of anything and like I said thought he was better than he was.

    Pop loved Bonner becaus he was an elite 3pt shooter who hustled and busted his ass every time he got on the floor. He's the type of player a coach would fall in love with. I've seen it time and time again.

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    When's the last time you saw Martin play? Literally the only thing he does at an NBA level anymore is shoot.

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    Out of curiosity, what was your opinion of the Belinelli signing? Seems like Martin last year looked at least as good as Belinelli looked his last year in Chicago, and if Martin did come here, he'd likely be playing the same role as Belinelli did (although hopefully Pop wouldn't play Martin instead of Green like he did with Belinelli).

    I don't think Martin is a very good player, but this team is sorely lacking in 3-point shooting. Martin is a career 38-39% 3-point shooter on respectable volume. Shot 40% on catch-and-shoot 3's last season. He's horrible defensively, but I have a hard time imagining him being any worse than Belinelli.

    If the Spurs can replace Bonner with Martin, you do that for sure IMO. If he plays well for the rest of the regular season, give him 10-15 minutes a night in the playoffs. If he looks like , only use him in garbage time or when everyone else is ting the bed. Regardless, I think Martin making an impact in the playoffs is more likely than Bonner doing so.
    I think that Pop might want Martin to be the new Beli. But I don't think Kevin can do it. They're completely different players. K-Mart is closer to Jimmer. Anyway, I wasn't a fan of the Beli signing because I thought Mills should get those minutes if Neal weren't being brought back. I don't think he was a huge success in SA, either. The best thing he had going for him is that he's awesome moving without the ball, and that's not Martin's strong suit.

    Sure, you take him over Bonner. But you don't give him a rotation spot. The idea that he's getting 10-15 MPG is absurd to me, though I could totally see it happening.

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    So can we reserve spots on the river walk already for the championship parade?
    Does the San Francisco Bay count as a river?

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    F5

    MEH.

    F5

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    Dude, this isn't last July.

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    Watch Basketball and anybody with an IQ over 75 could see Butler is playing much better than Martin right now. Butler has proven he can play the 4 in small ball lineups and is very effective against the 3. He was shutting down Iggy's ass when Pop actually played him against the Warriors.

    I wouldn't even phantom the Idea of cutting Butler for Martin if I were in the Spurs FO. Bonner, any day of the week and have him join the staff.

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    When's the last time you saw Martin play? Literally the only thing he does at an NBA level anymore is shoot.
    I've seen Martin drop 37. I've seen Butler block a shot..

    Martin still has an legit NBA talent..like you said shooting.

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    Watch Basketball and anybody with an IQ over 75 could see Butler is playing much better than Martin right now. Butler has proven he can play the 4 in small ball lineups and is very effective against the 3. He was shutting down Iggy's ass when Pop actually played him against the Warriors.

    I wouldn't even phantom the Idea of cutting Butler for Martin if I were in the Spurs FO. Bonner, any day of the week and have him join the staff.

    Lmao Ok. Sooooo if Butler gets cut for Martin are you really going to second guess the FO? Like the FO doesn't know what they have in Butler? Or see what Martin has done this year?

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    Watch Basketball and anybody with an IQ over 75 could see Butler is playing much better than Martin right now. Butler has proven he can play the 4 in small ball lineups and is very effective against the 3. He was shutting down Iggy's ass when Pop actually played him against the Warriors.

    I wouldn't even phantom the Idea of cutting Butler for Martin if I were in the Spurs FO. Bonner, any day of the week and have him join the staff.
    So who do we put in when Ibaka is blocking every shot of ours in the paint? Diaw, the guy who gets the ball behind the 3 point line, pump fakes NO ONE and then drives halfway in and passes it back out?

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    I'm not saying Martin is the savior and its a must signing.

    But I'll argue all day and put up my basketball knowledge against anyone that says Butler is a better player than Martin

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    How do we get Conley in FA? Assuming Manu doesn't come back.

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    I'm not saying Martin is the savior and its a must signing.

    But I'll argue all day and put up my basketball knowledge against anyone that says Butler is a better player than Martin
    What Butler brings to the Spurs is more valuable than whatever Martin would bring.

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    I'm not saying Martin is the savior and its a must signing.

    But I'll argue all day and put up my basketball knowledge against anyone that says Butler is a better player than Martin
    TinMan is Manu insurance. He knows how to get to the rim and draw fouls, and shoots near 90% from the line. Not a bad three point shooter, either. In his prime with the Kings and Thunder, he was basically a poor man's Curry/Durant hybrid before Curry came to fame.

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    TinMan is Manu insurance. He knows how to get to the rim and draw fouls, and shoots near 90% from the line. Not a bad three point shooter, either. In his prime with the Kings and Thunder, he was basically a poor man's Curry/Durant hybrid before Curry came to fame.

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    How do we get Conley in FA? Assuming Manu doesn't come back.
    S&T for parker and a 2nd rounder.

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    Pretty much every advanced stat favors Butler, as he's a non-chucker who plays defense.

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    No lie, though. He pissed me off whenever we had to play the Kings when all the focus was on Artest and Bonzi Wells. AND he was a very legit 3rd wheel in OKC, though not Harden he was an adequate replacement that year before Westbrook went down.

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    What Butler brings to the Spurs is more valuable than whatever Martin would bring.
    Which is what? And chances are Spurs FO agrees with me.

    The problem is y'all have seen Butler play with the Spurs and y'all haven't seen Martin play. But the upside is with Martin and its worth a shot to look at. His shooting alone brings more. Y'all guys are really defending a guy who hasn't played over 25mins in a game all season...

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    No lie, though. He pissed me off whenever we had to play the Kings when all the focus was on Artest and Bonzi Wells. AND he was a very legit 3rd wheel in OKC, though not Harden he was an adequate replacement that year before Westbrook went down.
    Comparing him to Curry or Durant is like comparing UNT to MIT tbh. It's an insult.

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    Pretty much every advanced stat favors Butler, as he's a non-chucker who plays defense.
    Damn. I guess the Spurs FO doesn't have access to that...

    Wow maybe they don't know what they're doing...and posters on ST do?

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    Lmao Ok. Sooooo if Butler gets cut for Martin are you really going to second guess the FO?
    yeah. Same way I second-guessed them guaranteeing Jimmer money. It's easy.

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    Damn. I guess the Spurs FO doesn't have access to that...

    Wow maybe they don't know what they're doing...and posters on ST do?
    Why the do you keep saying this? There is absolutely zero confirmation that they are interested or would cut Butler to add him.

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    Which is what? And chances are Spurs FO agrees with me.

    The problem is y'all have seen Butler play with the Spurs and y'all haven't seen Martin play. But the upside is with Martin and its worth a shot to look at. His shooting alone brings more. Y'all guys are really defending a guy who hasn't played over 25mins in a game all season...
    Everything on the other end tbh. Martin is a great shooter and might score 25 in a playoff game, but having someone who can score 10 points while shutting down an opposing team's best bench wing/smallball PF consistently while mentoring future Spurs players is much more valuable.

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    Comparing him to Curry or Durant is like comparing UNT to MIT tbh. It's an insult.
    MIT kids are such snobby gooks. Oh lookey me I'm chinese american and got a >3.5 at MIT, I'm so ing smart and you're an incompetent dumbass.


    From what I've heard, MIT is extremely easy to get high grades in... they're very liberal there and pass pretty much everyone who gives a ... the only thing is getting admitted, which only a select few do every year. Beyond basic credentials, it's mainly about whether or not the admissions committee likes your stupid tailored essay. It's chicken , I tell ya.



    Back to the NBA... I said poor man's. He was painfully annoying in that he was super skinny (like Curry), liked to pull up and make random 3s (like Curry) and got so many of his points by driving, initiating contact by running into defenders and drawing fouls (like Durant). Pissed me off.

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    Everything on the other end tbh. Martin is a great shooter and might score 25 in a playoff game, but having someone who can score 10 points while shutting down an opposing team's best bench wing/smallball PF consistently while mentoring future Spurs players is much more valuable.
    so we cut Ander and have the best of both worlds for any given situation, too. Kawhi/Green/Manu/Martin/Butler/Simmons is a great wing rotation

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