ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[coachmac87]

This tells me you don't watch too much of the actual games. Butler is probably the 2nd best man-to-man defender on this team after Kawhi. Butler is a very good defender and a decent offensive player. Martin vs. Butler defense is like night and day. And just for the record, I value shut down defense over chunking offense anyday of the week.

Just stop. I watch more basketball than you think and it's not just Spurs basketball.

You're overrating Butler. I'm not saying anything about Martin other than he's better player then Butler is. Contract says so...

Think of it this way.. Start of the season Butler and Martin are available for league minimum. Who do Spurs sign? Martin...just like EVERY team in the NBA would

[coachmac87]

Butler has deceptive athletic ability and really is the third best rim protactor after Tim and Boban. Nice weapon to have.

Aldridge says hi

[Mel_13]

Just stop. I watch more basketball than you think and it's not just Spurs basketball.

You're overrating Butler. I'm not saying anything about Martin other than he's better player then Butler is. Contract says so...

Think of it this way.. Start of the season Butler and Martin are available for league minimum. Who do Spurs sign? Martin...just like EVERY team in the NBA would

Contracts say Kobe is the best player in the NBA.

[coachmac87]

Contracts say Kobe is the best player in the NBA.

Was that contract signed this summer?

[Mel_13]

Was that contract signed this summer?

Was Martin's?

[Beaverfuzz]

This tells me you don't watch too much of the actual games. Butler is probably the 2nd best man-to-man defender on this team after Kawhi. Butler is a very good defender and a decent offensive player. Martin vs. Butler defense is like night and day. And just for the record, I value shut down defense over chunking offense anyday of the week.

Exactly. Guy has no clue.

[Beaverfuzz]

Just stop. I watch more basketball than you think and it's not just Spurs basketball.

You're overrating Butler. I'm not saying anything about Martin other than he's better player then Butler is. Contract says so...

Think of it this way.. Start of the season Butler and Martin are available for league minimum. Who do Spurs sign? Martin...just like EVERY team in the NBA would

No one would sign Martin, guy is past his prime. I hope he fails his physical.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Just stop. I watch more basketball than you think and it's not just Spurs basketball.

You're overrating Butler. I'm not saying anything about Martin other than he's better player then Butler is. Contract says so...

Think of it this way.. Start of the season Butler and Martin are available for league minimum. Who do Spurs sign? Martin...just like EVERY team in the NBA would

No, the Spurs still sign Butler. It would mean not signing LMA. 1mil salary counting towards the books as opposed to 7mil. Obviously you are infatuated with Martin, but seriously dude, it's not like this guy was extremely high on the Market. Do you know that Martin has only made the playoffs TWICE. Why, because chunkers like him usually shot their team out of a victory as oppose to win games.

[coachmac87]

Was Martin's?

No but Butlers was...I can't recall the last time Butler was making 7M per

[coachmac87]

No, the Spurs still sign Butler. It would mean not signing LMA. 1mil salary counting towards the books as opposed to 7mil. Obviously you are infatuated with Martin, but seriously dude, it's not like this guy was extremely high on the Market. Do you know that Martin has only made the playoffs TWICE. Why, because chunkers like him usually shot their team out of a victory as oppose to win games.

You totally missed what I said.

[Chinook]

No but Butlers was...I can't recall the last time Butler was making 7M per

Got 'em, Coach.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

You totally missed what I said.

No I am not, you said the Spurs would sign Martin over Butler if he was available this past offseason. I say NO. Because he is so GREAT like you are making him out to be, there is no way he signs with the Spurs for the Vet min.

[Mel_13]

No but Butlers was...I can't recall the last time Butler was making 7M per

So past earnings predict present value? Again, by that logic, Kobe Bryant would be the best player in the NBA. You're already having a very hard time making your case, citing past earnings doesn't help you at all.

[coachmac87]

No, the Spurs still sign Butler. It would mean not signing LMA. 1mil salary counting towards the books as opposed to 7mil. Obviously you are infatuated with Martin, but seriously dude, it's not like this guy was extremely high on the Market. Do you know that Martin has only made the playoffs TWICE. Why, because chunkers like him usually shot their team out of a victory as oppose to win games.

I clearly said if they're both available for the minimum...Spurs would choose Martin. Just like every team in the NBA would

[coachmac87]

So past earnings predict present value? Again, by that logic, Kobe Bryant would be the best player in the NBA. You're already having a very hard time making your case, citing past earnings doesn't help you at all.

No. I'm talking current earnings..as in Butler is a minimum player. Martin would get more than the minimum if he was FA. Which would mean Martin is the better player..

Next..

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I clearly said if they're both available for the minimum...Spurs would choose Martin. Just like every team in the NBA would

Maybe so, but RIGHT NOW, the Spurs would sign Butler over Martin based on this year's results. Everyone isn't living in the past like you are.

[Mel_13]

No. I'm talking current earnings..as in Butler is a minimum player. Martin would get more than the minimum if he was FA. Which would mean Martin is the better player..

Next..

[Chinook]

Guess David Lee is a better player than West.

[coachmac87]

Seriously. It's not that complicated guys..

[Mel_13]

Seriously. It's not that complicated guys..

For nearly everyone here, it's not complicated at all.

[coachmac87]

Guess David Lee is a better player than West.

Oh like that's a fair comparison...

[BatManu20]

Random and off-topic, but Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Kyrie Irving is "not happy" in Cleveland

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Seriously. It's not that complicated guys..

Cut Bonner for Martin, if he does get bought out and Spurs do indeed have interest in signing him. Bonner can then take his appointed place in the Spurs front office. Simple as that.

[TheDoctor]

Random and off-topic, but Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Kyrie Irving is "not happy" in Cleveland

Kyrie to Spurs confirmed

[coachmac87]

For nearly everyone here, it's not complicated at all.

Does Martin get more than Vets minimum next year as a FA? Yes

Is Butler out of the league after this season? Yes.

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