Bucks: Oscar Robertson: Steph Curry is good because modern defenses are bad

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Relative defense was better. Pretty sure you don't want to go down the road of absolutes without your logical fallacy handbook.

They're numbers. Just because your oversimplifications are easy to discard doesn't mean I have a handbook. Carry on now, haplogroup.

[DMC]

They're numbers. Just because your oversimplifications are easy to discard doesn't mean I have a handbook. Carry on now, haplogroup.

If you really think defenses were better back then you aren't qualified to debate this with me in the first place.

[Cry Havoc]

If you really think defenses were better back then you aren't qualified to debate this with me in the first place.

There's no way he's serious.

[Splits]

Kerr dropping a nuke

[HarlemHeat37]

Kerr is a real ass , tbh

Probably the best coach in the league at utilizing all facets of the game, new and old(analytics, x's and o's, managing personalities, allowing players to be themselves, etc)..

[DMC]

You know all those older "stars" are borderline broke and see all this new money being given hand over fist to people not deemed "stars" in today's game. Jeff Ayers made more than Oscar.

[Cry Havoc]

Kerr is a real ass , tbh

Probably the best coach in the league at utilizing all facets of the game, new and old(analytics, x's and o's, managing personalities, allowing players to be themselves, etc)..

It's going to be interesting watching the new guard of coaches flood the league. Similar to what happened in baseball IMO, except the change could be much more dramatic because of how much more often basketball breaks down into individual mismatches.

In 20 years anyone who mutters the word "eye test" as a serious measure of talent is going to be laughed at.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you really think defenses were better back then you aren't qualified to debate this with me in the first place.

There's no way he's serious.

You guys cannot make a statistical case. You guys cannot make a case as basketball is played on the court. You guys have god awful deduction skills and cannot do it that way either.

I don't know, what I do know is you guys are heavy on recency bias, self aggrandizement -'my fiends are more athletic than them' was adorable,- and otherwise spend your time circle jerking your assumption like you are doing right here.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kerr is a real ass , tbh

Probably the best coach in the league at utilizing all facets of the game, new and old(analytics, x's and o's, managing personalities, allowing players to be themselves, etc)..

Probably making up and wishcasting with no basis like your technology worship.

[DMC]

You guys cannot make a statistical case. You guys cannot make a case as basketball is played on the court. You guys have god awful deduction skills and cannot do it that way either.

I don't know, what I do know is you guys are heavy on recency bias, self aggrandizement -'my fiends are more athletic than them' was adorable,- and otherwise spend your time circle jerking your assumption like you are doing right here.

The claim is "the defense was better back then". The burden of proof is on those who make that claim. Common ing sense dictates otherwise. I suppose the technology was better as well.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you were, but not all criticism from older people lacks merit. As I said in my old vs. new thread, music, for instance, has gotten much more simplistic and formulaic over the past decade, and the mastering of it is truly terrible (this isn't a recent "Millennial thing" either, the Loudness Wars started in the mid-90s).

Agreed that the older generation of NBA players and athletes in general are too damn sensitive. I understand it, since athletes are natural compe ors and don't want to admit today's players are better, but they should also understand there would be no "modern" player without the groundwork they laid in the past (that's also why I don't usually criticize the skills of past players. The evolution had to start somewhere. Modern players weren't just magically created out of thin air. So I appreciate the revolution Cousy brought to ball handling, what Kareem brought to post play, what Maravich brought to playmaking).

So no need for past players to be salty. The modern game doesn't exist without them. They're forever a part of it.

The loudness wars started with Led Zeppelin in the 1960s. Page even said it was sped up delta blues and meant to be played loud. People did. They were the originals with the Marshall stacks at stadiums and legions of people have copied them.

You're as bad as they are. Boomer types typically are.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wilt scored 100 points in a game. He had 50+ rebounds in a game. The dudes couldn't look up and advance down the court. The defense was just put a big guy under the rim and let him camp out. Today's defenses are dynamic, high speed switching and rotations. They use analytics to predict matchup issues. There's a reason no team wins 10 rings in a row now.

Cause there are 30 teams as opposed to 8?

There's a reason why you are one lazy mother er that lacks introspection nor the capacity to verify the veracity of their opinions. You do it over and over again claiming there is an argument for your assertion and then never actually giving one.

Kids, this behavior is exactly won't you don't want to have when you get older. It's like giving up on your brain.

[DMC]

Cause there are 30 teams as opposed to 8?

There's a reason why you are one lazy mother er that lacks introspection nor the capacity to verify the veracity of their opinions. You do it over and over again claiming there is an argument for your assertion and then never actually giving one.

Kids, this behavior is exactly won't you don't want to have when you get older. It's like giving up on your brain.

30 teams, meaning a team has to go through that many squads to get to the Finals yet somehow the defense is worse now.

Way to kick your own ass.

Also, clean up your grammar, got. You cannot lack something NOR something else. Maybe if you spent more time being correct instead of running your sucker you'd not make those entry level mistakes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

30 teams, meaning a team has to go through that many squads to get to the Finals yet somehow the defense is worse now.

Way to kick your own ass.

Also, clean up your grammar, got. You cannot lack something NOR something else. Maybe if you spent more time being correct instead of running your sucker you'd not make those entry level mistakes.

wut

8 teams means you only have 8 different possibilities for champion as opposed to 30. It also means the labor pool is diluted as the population has not tripled since 1970.

Grammar? What a tool. What a fail too.

.used before the second or further of two or more alternatives (the first being introduced by a negative such as “neither” or “not”) to indicate that they are each untrue or each do not happen.

when you lack something it means it is absent obviously a negative. I get counting is a struggle for you.

I do think its adorable that you think that switching and hedging on pnr is a new invention, fattie.

[DMC]

wut

8 teams means you only have 8 different possibilities for champion as opposed to 30. It also means the labor pool is diluted as the population has not tripled since 1970.

Grammar? What a tool. What a fail too.

You have 8 ing teams.. 8. Everyone would make the 2nd round these days. You win one ing playoff game and you're in the Finals. The offense was staggering, those little white guys running around slap dribbling with no moves. The defense had to be staunch to defend against that, didn't it you ing got?

Yes, if you're going to lace your ty retorts with misused big words at least don't up the conjunctions.

when you lack something it means it is absent obviously a negative. I get counting is a struggle for you.

I do think its adorable that you think that switching and hedging on pnr is a new invention, fattie.

There's a reason you're one lazy mother er that lacks introspection NOR the capacity to verify...

That's piss poor sentence structure cubicle boy. You can say "you have neither introspection nor the capacity to..." but you sloppy got, you spent more time in your online thesaurus than actually learning to BUILD ing sentences.

You should avoid talking about sports anyhow, stick to attacking Wild Cobra for being a parts changer because you're on the 2nd floor in a cubicle putting a PPT together for your boss.

Now regale us with tales of RF generators and harmonics again.

[Cry Havoc]

"The reason we played such great D is we picked a guy up for the full length of the floor. Coaches just don't understand the game today."

Man. If someone would just let an NBA coach paid millions of dollars to employ a strategy that I learned in 5th grade, they could stop the greatest shooter in the history of basketball playing on a historically great team.

What has Big O done since the NBA?

In July, 2004, Robertson was named interim head coach of the Cincinnati Bearcats men's basketball team on a temporary basis for around one month while head coach Bob Huggins served a suspension stemming from a drunk-driving conviction.[21]

Angry old man.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"The reason we played such great D is we picked a guy up for the full length of the floor. Coaches just don't understand the game today."

Man. If someone would just let an NBA coach paid millions of dollars to employ a strategy that I learned in 5th grade, they could stop the greatest shooter in the history of basketball playing on a historically great team.

What has Big O done since the NBA?


Angry old man.

Cherry picking quotes now? You lost with it the on the negative the first time so now let's go the other way? Sophistry.

Current NBA defenders for the most part have poorer footwork, hand placement, spacing, and awareness.

We're spoiled by the Spurs and your handwaving at the Dubs is just gratuitous. There are over 20 teams that play ty defense. That you thought the Rockets were the worst was amusing though.

[Cry Havoc]

Cherry picking quotes now? You lost with it the on the negative the first time so now let's go the other way? Sophistry.

Current NBA defenders for the most part have poorer footwork, hand placement, spacing, and awareness.

We're spoiled by the Spurs and your handwaving at the Dubs is just gratuitous. There are over 20 teams that play ty defense. That you thought the Rockets were the worst was amusing though.

Worst = laziest?

Man. Words are really hard for you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have 8 ing teams.. 8. Everyone would make the 2nd round these days. You win one ing playoff game and you're in the Finals. The offense was staggering, those little white guys running around slap dribbling with no moves. The defense had to be staunch to defend against that, didn't it you ing got?

Yes, if you're going to lace your ty retorts with misused big words at least don't up the conjunctions.

There's a reason you're one lazy mother er that lacks introspection NOR the capacity to verify...

That's piss poor sentence structure cubicle boy. You can say "you have neither introspection nor the capacity to..." but you sloppy got, you spent more time in your online thesaurus than actually learning to BUILD ing sentences.

You should avoid talking about sports anyhow, stick to attacking Wild Cobra for being a parts changer because you're on the 2nd floor in a cubicle putting a PPT together for your boss.

Now regale us with tales of RF generators and harmonics again.

Now, I'm in a cubicle. How droll.

There were three rounds back then. You really suck at this. That you are throwing out my introspection and capacity digs back at me only tells me that they hit when I first used them on you.

I just linked the definition of the word and you were demonstrably wrong. Doubling down and insisting on it is idiocy. Good job. I'll pass on your word choice; they aren't mutually exclusive anyway.

I brought up harmonic analysis because we were talking heat exchange in the climate threads. If you cannot figure out how that is directly topical in arguing thermodynamic models then that just means you are not intelligent enough to really take part in the discussion. That is your problem and not mine. You're still wrong.

[Cry Havoc]

You're right though, coaches today that get paid millions of dollars know comparatively nothing about a sport that hasn't evolved at all in the past 50 years.

[Cry Havoc]

[spurraider21]

Now, I'm in a cubicle. How droll.

you say like this but call him fattie all the time

[DMC]

You're right though, coaches today that get paid millions of dollars know comparatively nothing about a sport that hasn't evolved at all in the past 50 years.

It's actually gotten worse. It's like the solid state transistor. Everyone wants a tube amp these days because tubes don't saturate like solid state devices do. The sound is clear because it's an analog signal being amplified. So because I like it better, vacuum tubes are better technology than any level of LSI.

Let's not even talk about medicine. Remember when you could get rid of a disease with leaches and chants? Prove to me statistically that today is any better.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Worst = laziest?

Man. Words are really hard for you.

We can argue on that level too. We just watched Boogie not run the floor for 4 quarters cherry picking with Acey and others chipping in from time to time.

Words are not my problem. Your lack of articulation is both a problem and indicative. Your grasping for anything arguing for a conclusion.

[Cry Havoc]

"I just don't think coaches today in basketball understand the game of basketball. They don't know anything about defenses. They don't know what people are doing on the court. They talk about analytical basketball and stuff like that."

Yeah, I'm cherry picking that old fart.