K-Mart's 2012-13 season happened where he had his most efficient season playing OFF the ball on a contender AFTER the rip through foul was banned. His season went shyt when he wasn't getting open looks as the secondary scorer after Westbrook got injured.
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I think they may feel this is Tim's last year and they want to make any move that increases the Spurs' chances even if it is by a very small increment. I think both moves do that ever so slightly.
Well, at least its still moving forward.
Why is this shocking to you? Do you want Miller in the rotation? I imagine not, so why do I have to want Martin to get established playing time?so you are ok with Spurs signing him but not to be a rotation player of 10/15 mpg ? so he should be signed for what ? coaching ? playing 5 mpg
I keep ignoring it because that's not what I said. I said he was less effective off the ball, not that he wasn't an efficient shooter on assisted shots. Curry is a better shooter on spot-up attempts (47 percent versus 40 percent from three). But in no way is he more effective without the ball. Curry has his gravity, running PnRs and such, and Martin has his foul-drawing. Martin's release also allows him to be run off the line more often, which is why he has more attempts at one- or two-dribble long twos (182 than he does threes with defenders within four feet of him (162). And at 37 percent on those long-twos (for the last six seasons, not just this year), it's not a good choice.after you continue with the claim he's not a great off ball player or better when not assisted based on what data ? he has better efficiency when he creates his own shot vs. catch and shoot ? I don't think so
To put that into perspective, dribble happy Green has 21 contested threes to 13 dribble pull-up long-twos (and he's 47 percent on the threes). Patty actually is like Martin in that he has more long-twos than contested threes for his career (98 to 75), but Patty release allows him to not HAVE very many situations where he has to make that decision.
For the team, Martin being so damned inefficient from the right side limits how they can spot him up. He pretty much has to park on the left wing, which is already where Green and Mills like and where everyone but maybe Kawhi like to post up. Hammer plays are less effective, because it takes longer for his shot to become unblockable. The slide to the corner has that same issue. I don't think it's worth changing that many things for him, and if you add in the defense and playoff choking, I don't see why he gets 10-15 MPG.
He was the sixth man that year. It's not like he was playing the Green role. And of course he fell apart in the playoff series.
Sources say Martin sounded envious when he told him.
Chinook gets the date wrong and proceeds to "wall of text" his way out. Doesn't say he was wrong. Typical ty trending poster.
Kevin Martin reads ST
i'm confused... what news did kevin martin break to andre miller? that the spurs were going to sign him?
i'm not understanding how miller "had no idea the spurs deal occurred"... because we didn't trade for him, he signed with us...
Was he bought out or simply waived? Because that might be what they meant.
Yep. This doesn't add up at all.
bought out.
Bottom line you are not in favor of Spurs signing him... you don't sign a vet like him to play garbage time 2/3 mpg on a D leaguer contract. In that case you hire a D Leaguer. So you are in favor of something that has 0 chance to happen. You could have said so in a more direct way. According to you Martin is not worth more than a 4th round draft pick in his first year or more than a 30 y/o dude from Austins Toros
ok so now Martin is not an efficient shooter on assisted shots but still a more or at least as efficient (FG% wise) when assisted than not assisted. So he would have a better efficiency %wise off the bench the way the Spurs would use him on a low usage rate for about 10/15 mpg... see ? it was not that hard.
Even with that you think he would not contribute so if Spurs hire him you would be ok only if it would be for 5 mpg which won't happen and don't make sense.
Chinook is the worst...
Who said analytics is overrated?
Seriously people are making this more complicated then it really is
Why did we sign Andre Miller?? And Cut Ray??
Why are we interests in Martin?? "Rasual Butler is the better player"
It's simple.
Miller handles the ball better than anything Ray could bring to the table...
Martin can score better than anything Butler or Bonner brings to the table..
Bottom line Spurs become more versatile and add quality depth for peanuts.
What's the problem?
Chinook killing the soul of all the excitement anyone had over K-Mart
Dude, why is this so hard for you to understand? Do you really think Andre Miller is going to get a rotation spot? Do you think Varejao's getting playoff minutes over Ezeli? Buyout guys often come in and end up on the deep bench. For a team that's 50-9 that also has two fourth-wing candidates who in the very least deserve to get the first crack over him, it doesn't make sense to promise him minutes.
I never said that. You know I never said that. In fact, the opposite is the case, as it is with every player who's not Parker (literally, for some reason on jump shots he shoots better when he dribbles more than 10 times than when he catches and shoots). Same thing with open shots. Hence why I made the point that it's not about him being able to knock down a situationless three. It's about his skills fitting in the context of a Spurs' system. It's not about usage.ok so now Martin is not an efficient shooter on assisted shots but still a more or at least as efficient (FG% wise) when assisted than not assisted.
I want him to play about as much as Miller will. That's not going to be consistent minutes every game. It will probably be quite a few DNPs. It would be injury and rest filler and in uniform but not part of the rotation in the playoffs. Why you make it seem like ring-chasers don't accept this type of roll all the time is beyond me. I assume you're trolling at this point, because you're asking questions that are literally in the posts you're quoting.Even with that you think he would not contribute so if Spurs hire him you would be ok only if it would be for 5 mpg which won't happen and don't make sense.
Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.
He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.
Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner
Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.
He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.
Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner
Chinook: "Danny Green is a HOFer compared to Kevin Martin"
Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.
He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.
Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner
Look at their contracts.
Will Danny Green make Curry work on defense?
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