ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[SpurPadre]

Eh, Pop's not as controlling as you seem to think, I believe. He's all about allowing guys to be who they have to be to be their best. If Simmons is motivated by trashtalking (especially light-hearted like this is), I doubt he cares. In fact, Pop put Simmons on Curry to see how it would go. I imagine Pop's the one who psyched Jonathon up enough to say that in the first place.

But he also preaches about having and wanting players that "are over themselves". This doesn't fit with that M.O. But hey, I'm sure if he did say those things, it was clearly with a wink and a smile and not of the Draymond Green "I'm an ass and I'm going to let you know I'm an ass" variety trashtalk.

[TD 21]

Ill always choose to develop young talent over bringing in postprime vets but i have to say i love west, and if Kmart can bring positive impact like that to our wing situation im all for it. Hows his defense though?

As I said, they can do both. Anderson/Simmons have gotten their feet wet and can continue to. This is about potentially filling the biggest hole on a team trying to win a championship.

His defense is terrible, but for this role, it doesn't matter much.

I'm pretty sure only one person didn't want Martin out of hand. Maybe a couple more, but there wasn't any analysis there. Now, do some people not believe he's good enough for a rotation spot? Obviously. And I believe it's perfectly healthy to believe that random mostly done folks aren't better than the rotation players on a 50-9 team. But I guess that's silly.

Maybe he is good enough to be in the rotation, maybe not; but I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand because of the fact that he's in his 30's, used to be a prominent name and is having a down season, in a much different situation.

Yeah, because Anderson/Simmons have been so vital to them going 50-9. There's no possible way they could have this record had Martin or some other random wing filled this spot.

[Kawhitstorm]

He was the sixth man that year. It's not like he was playing the Green role. And of course he fell apart in the playoff series.

He was the 6th man but his shots were assisted more than Patty. His shooting profile is similar to Neal except he mixes it up w/ drives/cuts ala Marco.

[coachmac87]

Chinook has given us his scouting report on Kevin Martin...

I wanna see his scouting report on Rasual Butler

[ceperez]

]Michael C. Wright ESPN Staff Writer


Matt Bonner (left calf) is probable for Wednesday's game against the Pistons and Manu Ginobili (testicular surgery) has been ruled out. Ginobili is recovering nicely though and could be back in the lineup as soon as Saturday.



if Bonner is going to play... then I guess there's no deal for Martin.

[Robz4000]

Martin gonna stay with the T-Pups. He'd of been bought out by now if he weren't.

[Budkin]

Maybe the Warriors will grab him tbh

[spurtech09]

Martin gonna stay with the T-Pups. He'd of been bought out by now if he weren't.

Yes sir

[Kawhitstorm]

]Michael C. Wright ESPN Staff Writer


Matt Bonner (left calf) is probable for Wednesday's game against the Pistons and Manu Ginobili (testicular surgery) has been ruled out. Ginobili is recovering nicely though and could be back in the lineup as soon as Saturday.

if Bonner is going to play... then I guess there's no deal for Martin.

Doesn't matter what happens to Bonner, as far as whether he practices/suits up, b/c they aren't trying to trade him. If the gets waived then he's most likely going to stay on the team as a staff member to retain his "corporate knowledge" especially with the brain drain.

[spurtech09]

Well I know Martin has till tonight to be bought out but at this point I don't think he is going to be bought out.....Time to move on....

[Kawhitstorm]

Well I know Martin has till tonight to be bought out but at this point I don't think he is going to be bought out.....Time to move on....

Glen Taylor, dude is a poor man's version of Sarver.

[Budkin]

Actually sounds like the Heat are going after him if he's bought out in time...

[Hoops Czar]

Doesn't matter what happens to Bonner, as far as whether he practices/suits up, b/c they aren't trying to trade him. If the gets waived then he's most likely going to stay on the team as a staff member to retain his "corporate knowledge" especially with the brain drain.

OR Bonner was never going to get waived in the first place.

[raybies]

Something on the subject...

[Kawhitstorm]

Actually sounds like the Heat are going after him if he's bought out in time...

Talk about counting your eggs before they hatch.

[TheGreatYacht]

So you still think there is still a chance Martin will get bought out?

Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"

[Darius Bieber]

Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"

Pretty weird how someone doesn't know they signed with a team..

[tholdren]

Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.

Who should get 4th wing spot?

[raybies]

Imo a deal gets done today. Martin has the leverage. He has a player option. If I were the wolves I wouldn't want to pay that, so they'll realize that any savings is better than nothing. They are just feeling each other out. And if I'm Martin, you hold out and I think the wolves know that. It's up to them if they want to pay the full salary next year and not play him. At his salary, he has no trade value and would be a buyout candidate next year which would be the same as buying him out this year anyway. Unless for some reason they really don't want him coming to the Spurs I think a deal gets done.

[Chinook]

The fact your posts are increasingly aggressive don't make them more convincing.

The reason why they're aggressive is because you're not a poster whose opinion I just write off like dabom or coach. That you seem unable/unwilling to see the gestalt of my view is sort of distressing, as it's not that hard.

To get at "you are in favor to sign a today 21 mpg, 9 FGAs, 11 ppg and 25% usage to basically be Matt Bonner" has been hard.

That shouldn't be hard to get at all. I want the best 15th man the team can acquire.

Of course you said it, when we were speaking about shooting efficiency you mentionned dude is better with the ball in his hands, you said making him a spot up shooter won't make him a more efficient player.

No, I didn't I said this:

Martin is a surprisingly limited spot-up shooter. Him playing on the Spurs isn't going to make him a better one, just like it didn't for Jimmer. Like Jimmer, Martin is a guy who shoots better when he's not being assisted, because he's better at making space for himself than he is at using the space an offense gives him.

I understand that you may have assumed that by "better" I meant more efficient. But as I said many times since them, Martin's problems aren't about numbers. I can understand you not agreeing with my claims on Martin's limitations and why they make him a poor spot-up guy. But you seem to not even know they're there, and so you keep repeating points as if I haven't addressed them.

So to restate: Martin isn't a good fit as a spot-up guy for three reasons. First, he's a guy who scores off the dribble and relies on getting free throws, so him spotting up isn't using him to his strengths. Second, due to his shooting motion, there are parts of the court where Martin can't shoot well from. That limits the places he can be in sets, which limits his usefulness. Third, Martin's release means he gets run off the line more often than the average shooter. Unlike guys like Beli and Mills, Martin shoots horrible percentage on step-in twos. So it's pretty easy to negate his impact.

Martin being the guy you want isn't going to be a good fit for the Spurs, in my opinion. I don't think Pop would or at least should put him in that role, as I have already stated. I think he would just be a change-of-pace, instant-offense guy who can give the bench a consistent scorer when they have guys out. This is a fine role for him to play, but it's not an every-game role in this current rotation. So I don't want him to get a rotation spot over guys that bring more to the table and in other areas. It's not irrational to think Kawhi gets 36 playoff minutes, Green 30, Manu 24 and Mills six in addition to PG minutes. If you need some small-ball, Anderson and Butler are both there and have shown they are fine in that role.

I read your point about right and left, it's a valid point but you don't have to change spurs philosophy to adjust to that with second unit.

It's actually a really big deal. It's not just right or left. It's also a lack of corner attempts. It's that he would pass up shots that a guy like Mills would take and drive, which brings that awful 2pt% right back into the conversation.

And I told you like three times that according to me it won't happen so it is a moot point.

But that doesn't actually make it a moot point. If Martin is just ring-chasing, you don't know what he'd be willing to accept. You brought up West repeatedly, and he's a huge example to players giving up more than what seems reasonable to get to a better situation. Look at Lawson, giving up probably $15 Million in one year probably to end up on a fringe team or stuck on a bench somewhere.

[Chinook]

He was the 6th man but his shots were assisted more than Patty. His shooting profile is similar to Neal except he mixes it up w/ drives/cuts ala Marco.

Patty totally cuts like Marco. I've seen Martin do it, too, but it's like the hemi-neglect version of the others.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Martin gonna stay with the T-Pups. He'd of been bought out by now if he weren't.

Of course, no one ever goes right down to the wire to get something done.

[Dex]

at this thread when Martin gets cut at like 10:30pm tonight, then signs with the Cavs or some other faux-ntender tomorrow (after this breaks 50 pages of course)

[Robz4000]

Of course, no one ever goes right down to the wire to get something done.

In buyouts? Not generally. Minny prolly doesn't wanna give him anything for his player option and Miller is refusing their terms.

[raybies]

In buyouts? Not generally. Minny prolly doesn't wanna give him anything for his player option and Miller is refusing their terms.

I wonder if there'll be any surprise buyouts tonight.