Super Tuesday thread

[Reck]

Originally Posted by Fabbs
So Blacks *know* Shillary. Why so heavily support her?


Examples?

Google it.

[MultiTroll]

Google it.

So you don't have any for 30 years worth?
I don't see Blacks doing any better under 30 years of Shillary.
Eyeball test.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow.

If that's any indication of November...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You could've voted for someone pro marijuana that wants to audit the fed but instead you voted for Rupert Murdoch and Fox news?




Don't tell me you didn't know Kasich used to come off the bench for Bill O'Reilly on the O'Reilly Factor

I already explained my position about the GOP primary in my district. You're pretty stupid. Look up 'reductio ad absurdum' and try again.

You definitely don't have me figured out, simpleton. I also know he used to work for Lehman brothers.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Google it.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/poli...oting_for.html

From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies that Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.

Hillary Clinton loves black people. And black people love Hillary—or so it seems. Black politicians have lined up in droves to endorse her, eager to prove their loyalty to the Clintons in hopes that their faithfulness will be remembered and rewarded. Black pastors are opening their church doors, and the Clintons are making themselves comfortably at home once again, engaging effortlessly in all the usual rituals associated with “courting the black vote,” a pursuit that typically begins and ends with Democratic politicians making black people feel liked and taken seriously. Doing something concrete to improve the conditions under which most black people live is generally not required.Hillary is looking to gain momentum on the campaign trail as the primaries move out of Iowa and New Hampshire and into states like South Carolina, where large pockets of black voters can be found. According to some polls, she leads Bernie Sanders nationally by as much as 60 percent among African Americans. It seems that we—black people—are her winning card, one that Hillary is eager to play.



And it seems that we’re eager to get played. Again.

The love affair between black folks and the Clintons has been going on for a long time. It began back in 1992, when Bill Clinton was running for president. He threw on some shades and played the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show. It seems silly in retrospect, but many of us fell for that. At a time when a popular slogan was “It’s a black thing; you wouldn’t understand,” Bill seemed to get us. When Toni Morrison dubbed him our first black president, we nodded our heads. We had our boy in the White House. Or at least we thought we did.

Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal health care, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.

What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization and the disappearance of work?

No. Quite the opposite.



http://www.thenation.com/article/hil...peoples-votes/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/01/the_clinton_fallacy.html

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/01/468185...h-black-voters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...y-Clinton.html

[rmt]

Wow.

If that's any indication of November...

You mean the repubs might have some semblance of a chance of winning. That's if these conservative ideologues would take their heads out of their "pure" sand, hold their noses and punch for Trump. Can't believe some of them would rather Hillary than Trump.

[Reck]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/poli...oting_for.html

From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies that Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.

Hillary Clinton loves black people. And black people love Hillary—or so it seems. Black politicians have lined up in droves to endorse her, eager to prove their loyalty to the Clintons in hopes that their faithfulness will be remembered and rewarded. Black pastors are opening their church doors, and the Clintons are making themselves comfortably at home once again, engaging effortlessly in all the usual rituals associated with “courting the black vote,” a pursuit that typically begins and ends with Democratic politicians making black people feel liked and taken seriously. Doing something concrete to improve the conditions under which most black people live is generally not required.Hillary is looking to gain momentum on the campaign trail as the primaries move out of Iowa and New Hampshire and into states like South Carolina, where large pockets of black voters can be found. According to some polls, she leads Bernie Sanders nationally by as much as 60 percent among African Americans. It seems that we—black people—are her winning card, one that Hillary is eager to play.



And it seems that we’re eager to get played. Again.

The love affair between black folks and the Clintons has been going on for a long time. It began back in 1992, when Bill Clinton was running for president. He threw on some shades and played the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show. It seems silly in retrospect, but many of us fell for that. At a time when a popular slogan was “It’s a black thing; you wouldn’t understand,” Bill seemed to get us. When Toni Morrison dubbed him our first black president, we nodded our heads. We had our boy in the White House. Or at least we thought we did.

Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal health care, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.

What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization and the disappearance of work?

No. Quite the opposite.



http://www.thenation.com/article/hil...peoples-votes/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/01/the_clinton_fallacy.html

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/01/468185...h-black-voters

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...y-Clinton.html

Thanks for proving my point? Despite the digs in there. They are still loyal to her.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thanks for proving my point? Despite the digs in there. They are still loyal to her.

You claimed she's done a lot for the black community and has been solid for them. How is her decimating them proving your point you ing

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thanks for proving my point? Despite the digs in there. They are still loyal to her.

Or are you calling them stupid as a whole for still supporting her despite being on

[Reck]

You claimed she's done a lot for the black community and has been solid for them. How is her decimating them proving your point you ing

Decimating.

Overeaching got.

All your links prove the point I was making. She's being engaging and helping the black community for over 20 years. That includes doing positive for them, dumb ass.

[Nbadan]

Or are you calling them stupid as a whole for still supporting her despite being on

You mean like southern Caucasians support the GOP...against their own interests?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Decimating.

Overeaching got.

All your links prove the point I was making. She's being engaging and helping the black community for over 20 years. That includes doing positive for them, dumb ass.

Are you now calling the African American authors of the articles liars?

Please show me quotes from my links supporting her engaging, supporting, and doing positive for them. Unless you consider mass incarceration as a positive for the black community I don't believe you've even read the links.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You mean like southern Caucasians support the GOP...against their own interests?

Are you agreeing both groups are stupid?

[Nbadan]

Are you agreeing both groups are stupid?

Anytime a 'group' votes in huge numbers one way or another they get screwed...interpret that as you will...

[Reck]

Are you now calling the African American authors of the articles liars?

Please show me quotes from my links supporting her engaging, supporting, and doing positive for them. Unless you consider mass incarceration as a positive for the black community I don't believe you've even read the links.

Not all of them, of course. Though I skimmed most of them.

One such article says this:

"For more than 20 years, Bill and Hillary Clinton have engaged with black voters, black leaders, and black communities. They’re familiar. And when coupled with the role blacks play in the Democratic primary—stalwart voters who tend to support the safest choice—this adds up to a powerful advantage for Hillary. So much so that the only candidate to breach it—Barack Obama—had to run an almost flawless campaign, in addition to being black himself. Had Obama failed to build ties to the black political establishment—and had he failed to show his viability with wins among white Democrats—it’s not clear he would have overcome and reversed Clinton’s advantage with blacks."

"Both Clintons made active efforts to appeal to and respect black voters, which was not the norm for American politics (although, with George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservativism,” it became the norm, at least for a moment).All of this left a lasting impression. Black voters didn’t always agree with Clinton, but they liked and—to an extent—trusted him. When Hillary ran for Senate, she took a similar approach, working hard to build ties to New York state’s—and New York City’s—black community. And this outreach informed Bill Clinton’s (highly symbolic) decision to base his post-presidency in Harlem."

So yes, she has said bad things about them in the past, but has also done plenty for them.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not all of them, of course. Though I skimmed most of them.

One such article says this:

"For more than 20 years, Bill and Hillary Clinton have engaged with black voters, black leaders, and black communities. They’re familiar. And when coupled with the role blacks play in the Democratic primary—stalwart voters who tend to support the safest choice—this adds up to a powerful advantage for Hillary. So much so that the only candidate to breach it—Barack Obama—had to run an almost flawless campaign, in addition to being black himself. Had Obama failed to build ties to the black political establishment—and had he failed to show his viability with wins among white Democrats—it’s not clear he would have overcome and reversed Clinton’s advantage with blacks."

"Both Clintons made active efforts to appeal to and respect black voters, which was not the norm for American politics (although, with George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservativism,” it became the norm, at least for a moment).All of this left a lasting impression. Black voters didn’t always agree with Clinton, but they liked and—to an extent—trusted him. When Hillary ran for Senate, she took a similar approach, working hard to build ties to New York state’s—and New York City’s—black community. And this outreach informed Bill Clinton’s (highly symbolic) decision to base his post-presidency in Harlem."

So yes, she has said bad things about them in the past, but has also done plenty for them.

I don't see anything positive in anything you bolded, and why not post the rest of the article that highlights all of the terrible she supported being done to the black community? Are you trolling or just stupid?

[Reck]

I don't see anything positive in anything you bolded, and why not post the rest of the article that highlights all of the terrible she supported being done to the black community? Are you trolling or just stupid?

Ok, now you're just spinning around the issue.

I didn't say she was all flowers and . I admitted as much.

But I also pointed out how she's been for them.

And really? The article doesn't talk about her working hard to build build "ties" to the New York's black community?

What do you figure working hard to gain their trust means? Goes without saying she was trying to do positive things for them. How else would you gain their respect or loyalty?

Article doesn't have to spell that out for you to get a sense that's what she was doing.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ok, now you're just spinning around the issue.

I didn't say she was all flowers and . I admitted as much.

But I also pointed out how she's been for them.

And really? The article doesn't talk about her working hard to build build "ties" to the New York's black community?

What do you figure working hard to gain their trust means? Goes without saying she was trying to do positive things for them. How else would you gain their respect or loyalty?

Article doesn't have to spell that out for you to get a sense that's what she was doing.

The only thing you've pointed out, unintentionally, is that blacks are stupid for supporting the Clintons.